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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    But Anne you could then argue that dogs are allergic to beef and chicken because most beef and chicken products fed to dogs are grain (wheat) fed instead of grass fed.

    So in all honesty dogs are probably allergic to the wheat/grain content in meat these days because that is the main staple of cows and chickens these days.

    Agree K&P, said better than I could have. Just to add- though I am a raw feeder and believer, as well as a distributor for Big Dog BARF, you also need to be careful with prepacked BARF products- often the offal content is beef, linked to wheat, and therefore a possible allergen.

    Pays to look for the 'allergy diet' alternatives in prepacked BARF, too!!

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    I doubt a grain fed cow would have enough of the specific proteins left in it's system to affect a dog allergic to grains.
    Food (grain) that the cow eats undergoes a LOT of changes in the cows system before being absorbed. I find no evidence in any studies to support grains affecting the meat in terms of allergies, only in the content of the fat and omega-3s.
    Organic Grass-Fed Beef - Richer in Omega 3 Fatty Acids

    My Poodle male has no problems with commercial foods containing grain, but does have an adverse reaction to beef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    But Anne you could then argue that dogs are allergic to beef and chicken because most beef and chicken products fed to dogs are grain (wheat) fed instead of grass fed.

    So in all honesty dogs are probably allergic to the wheat/grain content in meat these days because that is the main staple of cows and chickens these days.
    No offence intended, but if you realised how stupid the link is that you have made between an immune related allergen response in a canine and cows eating grains you would be incredibly embarrassed.

    I've never read such a response before and I feel embarrassed for you.
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    Yes BL - I am on a mission, a mission to dispel a commonly held internet belief.

    I can well understand that people prefer raw and or natural or barf diets. However, people should make an INFORMED choice about diet. The incorrect information that is bandied about the internet regarding the canine diet always amazes me and people believe it all hook, line and sinker.

    In fact, I did too until a few years ago. I was forced to read up on immune responses and allergens after taking in a rescue in a very sorry state. After several months of research and elimination diets we were able to bring her skin issues under control. It took a massive effort though between her and my Vets to sort her out. It was through this process that I was forced to learn about diets and, in particular, allergens.
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    So we must have a heap of Dingoes with allergies then.

    What utter rot, any study done to suggest a dog is better fed on dried out, mostly grain based food is very suss, and most likely done by someone with interest in a dry or prosessed food company.
    I bet if it is looked into the dogs having these reactions have been fed the neat little pre packed stuff from supermakets full of preservarives even though it looks like fresh meat.

    Our dogs get dry food as a filler only if we run short, the bit they get does no harm, but main food is raw meaty bone and minced chicken frames none of which contains any preservative and we have never seen any dog have any bad reaction to this, rather the other way around, they do horrible smelly motions when fed dry kibble and we do not buy cheap crap either. And do not forget to add some offal to their diet that is very important.

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    Hay ann can you pm me a raw feeding plan for staffys
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    wheat is believed to be the number one cause of allergy problems in dog food
    This was stated by the website as a "belief" not a "fact", and in all the links cited by Anne - it's at least fourth on the list. Ie top 10, so worth avoiding in the first four ingredients of dog food.

    Murdoch University Veterinary Hospital - Pet owners - Skin and Ear Clinic - Services - Allergic skin disease

    This has the list but doesn't say that they are ranked in order of most likely.

    I have to agree with Anne about allergies via what cows eat. Most beef that I eat is grass fed (I ask the butcher) and I can't eat grass, but that doesn't make me allergic to beef. And I know a few people that are allergic to shell fish but not fish like snapper - which eat shell fish as part of their diet. Ie you can be allergic to something your dinner has eaten but you can still be ok to eat your dinner. Ie digestion tends to modify the allergens.

    This doesn't apply to heavy metals like mercury, lead and cadmium which persist through the food chain. Ie if your grass is on a contaminated waste site, and the cow eats it the heavy metal stays in the meat and then you when you eat it. Which is why eating lots of top of the food chain fish is bad for you.

    Or fish from Japan. As if they have anything left for export.

    This article was interesting.

    Didn't list beef as a problem protein

    Several sites I looked at about food allergies suggested making your own dog food as part of an elimination diet so you would have complete control over what your dog is eating (provided it's not supplementing that with bbq left overs at the park).

    Canine Food Allergies — College of Veterinary Medicine at Michigan State University

    and from that one, this one had the most practical advice.
    http://www.petdiets.com/faqs/display_faq.asp?ID=22
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    I can only speak on a very personal experience.......Annabelle cannot eat wheat, unless it is the "old" wheat (spelt ?spelling). We thought she was allergic to beef and chicken also, until we went to pasture fed homegrown beef. She is severely allergic to any preservatives, which are in most purchased products, even some meats from the butcher. Hence I only get bones from the butcher or uncut offal from sheep Lamb is the least "fiddled" with meat. hardly ever hand-fed and on pasture (in Australia).
    I think we can always find anecdotal or scientific evidence on what we want since Google has come about.
    I have found that since I have gone RAW.....I do not use BARF and make everything myself, my dogs have looked great. Good coats, no more skin and ear problems (except when we swim in dirty water) and great teeth.
    My vet initially, 20+ years ago was not too keen on RAW, but I have just stuck with him and he has actually mentioned that he thinks my dogs look great. I think vets worry about RAW, because it is fairly involved and you have to be savvy about the how and when. And I do believe some like to sell product they sell. But a lot of vets do not believe that owners put much thought in what their dogs eat and I think they do have the dogs best interest in mind and recommend the easy way for owners
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