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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Choppa is 100% correct Lala.

    That is one of the worst written and researched articles I've seen on wiki... Plus it's already been flagged since last year for cleaning up and accuracy....
    Im not arguing...just pointing out that according to wiki thats not what it is. I didnt read the article so wouldnt have a clue whether it's been flagged.

    I had posted the breeds I thought were in an Am Bully based on discussions I have had with people and as I was on wiki at the time just checked quickly (but as above, didnt read the whole article)

    My only point when bringing up Am Bullys is that, that is what most people imagine a pitbull to look like....short and tank like and they dont look like that.

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    I think Choppachop has made my point nicely.

    You can't tell an Amstaff from an APBT just by looking.

    There was a whole court case in QLD to prove it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Choppa is 100% correct Lala.

    That is one of the worst written and researched articles I've seen on wiki... Plus it's already been flagged since last year for cleaning up and accuracy....
    Thanks Angela and yep Wiki is certainly not one of the .....strongest ?....written material on any given number of subjects.

    OK,will give the answers but whole links in the morning before Dan turns her mind inside out

    1. Is...... one of the most gorgeous APBT I've seen.
    2. Is......a gorgeous Champion Amstaff
    3. Is.....a lovely APBT
    4. Is.....another lovely ,athletic Amstaff
    5 Is ....yep an Amstaff . I put him in to show how hard it really is to tell 2 well bred individuals apart. Of course liver ( dudley) nose is undesirable in an Amstaff so I thought most people would say he was Pit. But just because its undesirable doesn't mean its just not going to happen,its just a colour gene afterall.

    So;
    Pit
    Amstaff
    Pit
    Amstaff
    Amstaff

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    Choppa, do you have any links to information about American Bullies?

    I am quite interested to know the accurate history now but every website I come across says the same as wiki and I have yet to see a mention of American Bulldogs in the genetics (have looked at dog breed info and a number of breeders sites etc)

    Be interested to read any other information.

    EDIT: Ta for answers....I just looked for the pits. And while I did initially look at number 1 I flagged him as a trick dog and went for 3 and 5 LMAO...really 5 was the trick dog. 3 was obvious IMO.
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    Well constructed and I have to say I had no idea about these.
    It has been an educational threat if I had to grade it.
    So to all the people with your input I think you all have done a good job with a very fair topic and there was no nasty's going on in it .
    Well done.

    And this Wilkapedia isn't this something that anyone can add to the topic.
    And if this is so then the information we get from it is just the views of some but maybe not that of the actual real meaning of what the topic is.
    So I could go to it and put down that the Amstaff has got a larger haed than the Pit. And it is wrong or right but it is just anyone who wants to add to it can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Choppa, do you have any links to information about American Bullies?

    I am quite interested to know the accurate history now but every website I come across says the same as wiki and I have yet to see a mention of American Bulldogs in the genetics (have looked at dog breed info and a number of breeders sites etc)

    Be interested to read any other information.

    EDIT: Ta for answers....I just looked for the pits. And while I did initially look at number 1 I flagged him as a trick dog and went for 3 and 5 LMAO...really 5 was the trick dog. 3 was obvious IMO.
    LOL Yep! to the trick dog! And below I will give you some info about the AmBully

    Thanks Rid! Its great when a Bully thread doesnt go on a bender

    And really really night all now!

    Although its roots are firmly grounded in the crossbreeding craze of the mid-1990's, the American Bully is currently being promoted as a new pure breed apart from the American Pit Bull Terrier, under whose name it has been bred and sold for the past 15 years or so. Originally a result of crossing the APBT, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bulldog, Olde English Bulldogge, Bullmastiff, Dogue de Bordeaux, English Bulldog, Neapolitan Mastiff and various bandogges with the aim of developing a larger and heavier Pit Bull, this American creation has been very successful in gaining acceptance and popularity in its homeland, all while its breeders firmly maintained that their dogs were pure American Pit Bull Terriers. As with most bandogge programmes, the initial gain in size resulting from crossing a bull-n-terrier type dog with a larger mastiff breed quickly disappears in subsequent generations and the American Bully stock soon suffered from its breeders' desire to maintain their lines, with most present-day examples of the breed being much shorter than their ancestors. Even though considered an abomination and an insult to the great APBT breed by most Pit Bull enthusiasts, the lines which would eventually become what is now a separate breed carrying the American Bully name had arguably surpassed its original small gamebred parent breed in popularity, while helping create more confusion and misinformation about the APBT itself in the eyes of general public and the media. Unlike a true American Pit Bull Terrier, the American Bully hadn't been created for the fighting ring, although many of these dogs have been used for amateur level street fights by their ignorant and oftentimes criminal owners who believe them to be actual Pit Bulls, but the greatest blow the APBT breed has been dealt has been the promotion of these dogs which were commonly misrepresented as actual Pit Bull Terriers as good property guardians and protection dogs in the United States. With the massive popularity of what was the "alternative Pit Bull" type at the time, coupled with a long streak of indiscriminate breeding of these dogs who often ended up in the wrong hands, the incidence of attacks on humans with the APBT receiving the blame and its current media-fueled notoriety as a dangerous breed has also been steadily rising.



    With the constantly increasing pressure on the promoters of the "new" Pit Bull by the lovers of the original APBT over the unjustified bad reputation being attached to what was once regarded as an ideal family pet, traditionally known to be harmless to humans and a bona fide American legend, as well as the growing difficulty of proving that these "alternative" strains hadn't been developed by crossing other breeds into the APBT, the breeders of the American Bully finally decided to "step away" from the APBT breed and establish a new breed out of their existing stock. Unfortunately, there is still a great number of owners and breeders who continue to maintain that their dogs are proper Pit Bull Terriers, whether their pedigrees are falsified or not. While the push for the separation of the American Bully from the APBT is most definitely a positive thing, many promoters of the new breed claim that no other breeds apart from the AmStaff and the APBT have been used for its creation.



    Apart from being much heavier, having greater bone mass, larger heads and wider chests than real American Pit Bull Terriers, the majority of the dogs belonging to the American Bully group also lack the superb athletic qualities, stamina and temperament of their parent breed. Certainly more of a bulldogge than a bull-terrier, both in appearance and personality, the American Bully is a massive, yet sufficiently agile and territorial dog with good guarding instincts and watchdog capabilities. Although it can be stubborn at times, the breed is quite trainable and makes a good companion for experienced owners. Not as confrontational with other dogs as the APBT, this powerful American creation needs responsible handling and supervision nonetheless, as well as a great deal of socialization with people, due to its background involving breeding away from traditional APBT character traits. One of the most popular activities for the fans of the American Bully has always been the sport of Weight Pull, for which the breed had basically been created according to some and still excels in today, but it's also gaining acceptance in the world of Personal Protection for its drive and physical strength. The breed type isn't fully set yet, with some dogs resembling animals of the Olde English Bulldogge type and others being similar to smaller American Bulldogs and oversized Staffordshire Bull Terriers in appearance, but the breed Standard does exist and the future selection based on its points may bring a greater deal of uniformity for the American Bully. A handsome dog, this powerful breed tends to have muscular, stocky bodies, with short backs, broad heads and wide, short muzzles with reasonably loose lips and well-developed jaw muscles. The ears can be cropped or left natural, while the tail must remain unaltered. The nose may be black, blue, brown, liver or red, depending on the coat colour. The coat is short, smooth and flat, most commonly seen and sought after in blue, grey and red colours, but is accepted in any colouring. Average height for the modern American Bully is around 21 inches, but taller dogs can still be encountered.

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    I'm not for or against american bullies, I don't like how they have a negative impact on the pits reputation, but they're also not the first dog to do that so you can't really hold that against them, that is the fault of uneducated people, not the dogs themselves.

    I see this dog (american bullies) becoming popular, it is exactly what happened when they turned the old english bulldogge into the english bulldog of today, it's not a bad thing, it's just taking a dog that was bred for a purpose, whose purpose no longer exists, and turning it into a pet.

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    They became "the" tuff guy image type of dog to have for quite a few years , hence many were cashing in on the 'type' , breeding some pretty rough animals and passing them off as 'true APBT' which of course is going to ruffle some feathers. It became the norm as we have shown via this thread that if you type Pit Bull or Amstaff into a search browser 9 out of 10 times what comes up should have gills or be on the plains of Southern Africa .

    Just to expand a little further on and what we were discussing in terms of not being bred for function and why some of us refer to certain dogs as 'hippos' or 'land whales' .

    Now as a disclaimer so this thread does not go on a bender , I am saying from my personal point of view ( some people highly fancy these types ) that a hell of alot these dogs are highly dysfunctional and a myriad of health and structural issues. Some of these animals under carriage are barely clearing the ground and have no depth of girth but wide barrelled slabs on 4 short stumps. How is this a functional,strong,agile dog ? Or a preferred pet ? Most that will be drawn to this type sadly will worry little of any health issue arising .

    And inded one could argue I guess that way back when it was the Bull Dog after all that was involved with producing the breed to begin with.But , having said that,the Bull Dog of yesterday was also not the Bull dog of today nor was it bred to be such a dysfunctional animal.
    Breeding for pet doesn't mean sacrificing a breeds overall form and functionality , IMO

    And a link I should of put up way before hand
    Pit Bull Rescue Central
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    Just to point out some people breed these "Land Whales" in Australia and pass them off as American Staffordshire Terriers as well, hence a thread that become active again on here recently in relation to a certain kennel. Actually there is one that comes to my Dog Training, she claims it is an Amstaff, I took one look at it and wanted to laugh in her face because it certainly is not an Amstaff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    They became "the" tuff guy image type of dog to have for quite a few years , hence many were cashing in on the 'type' , breeding some pretty rough animals and passing them off as 'true APBT' which of course is going to ruffle some feathers. It became the norm as we have shown via this thread that if you type Pit Bull or Amstaff into a search browser 9 out of 10 times what comes up should have gills or be on the plains of Southern Africa .

    Just to expand a little further on and what we were discussing in terms of not being bred for function and why some of us refer to certain dogs as 'hippos' or 'land whales' .

    Now as a disclaimer so this thread does not go on a bender , I am saying from my personal point of view ( some people highly fancy these types ) that a hell of alot these dogs are highly dysfunctional and a myriad of health and structural issues. Some of these animals under carriage are barely clearing the ground and have no depth of girth but wide barrelled slabs on 4 short stumps. How is this a functional,strong,agile dog ? Or a preferred pet ? Most that will be drawn to this type sadly will worry little of any health issue arising .

    And inded one could argue I guess that way back when it was the Bull Dog after all that was involved with producing the breed to begin with.But , having said that,the Bull Dog of yesterday was also not the Bull dog of today nor was it bred to be such a dysfunctional animal.
    Breeding for pet doesn't mean sacrificing a breeds overall form and functionality , IMO

    And a link I should of put up way before hand
    Pit Bull Rescue Central
    I agree with you, I was just trying to point out that it happens to a lot of breeds, neo mastiff for example. Here's an article with some good pictures.

    WARNING - THERE IS A VERY GRAPHIC IMAGE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS DOWN THE PAGE - SORRY i FORGOT IT WAS THERE UNTIL i JUST HAD ANOTHER LOOK AT IT

    TWO WRONGS -

    I just think when dogs stop serving a purpose they tend to be bred for certain trends instead and with pits, obviously (or is that unfortunately??) they were bred into hippos because people who didn't have a real reason for this dog wanted a tough looking dog for the image rather than ability.

    I'm not sure if I've made sense, but hopefully you get what I mean
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