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Thread: Children and Dogs - Liam's Story and His Legacy

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    Just plainly sad
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    I found some of the warning signs a bit ri**** though to be honest.

    E.g. when Pippi is getting rubbed behind the ears, she licks her lips and yawns. She isnt giving me warning signals that shes not comfortable at all or that she is about to savage me. She loves an ear rubbing and will come and get into position for it without being invited LOL

    I did like the advice for kids though "bouncy wriggly dog is OK, still stiff dog is not" or whatever it said. Obviously its not quite as simple as that but thats pretty easy for kids.

    I watched the video and that man must have been an idiot IMO, it was VERY obvious that dog was not comfortable and not even including the 'lip licking'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Well no. There were warning signs for them, warning signs that the dog was not comfortable with the child but they didn't realise it until after the incident.
    I guess I should look at the link hey. I'm too lazy though! Well, not lazy, there just isn't enough hours in a day.
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    Anne you should watch the little video...The reporter is an idiot........Mind you the Handler should have prevented the bite, the dog did give off plenty of signs.
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    I really feel for this family and their loss no one deserves to lose a child in any way.
    But I'm reading through the 'information' on the website and I checked out the video, and to be honest, it reads like BS. I've grown up with dogs and did a lot of dog sitting when I was a kid and I've never been bitten. I just don't agree with the yawning as a sign of discomfort or lip licking. Really? I'm no expert though. And to be honest I'm a Cesar Millan fan. That man has saved so many dogs from euthanasia I think he's worth listening to. =)

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    Lip licking and Yawning is often a sign of stress, but it has to be taken in context. Some dogs can yawn and not be stressed. the situation and the environment are all part of it.

    Yawning and lip licking are often signs dogs use for each other. I use yawning when my dog is stressed, but it relaxes her. She is NOT yawning when I yawn at her. She is in a dominance mode over another dog or say stressed in a sit/stay.

    Lip licking can be used to calm a dog....... A dog may lip lick to say it is stressed, but this does not mean it is going to attack. Often puppies will do this when a dominant dog goes near them.

    So a lot of these signs have been taken out of context. People should read some of the books on this by Turid Rugaas...The signs are used to calm the aggressor.

    Anyway, I use them rather successfully on one of my dogs, it does work. And they do use them.

    Pre attack I agree more with the sign of stiffening and body posture, also stiff tail and the eyes.....The eyes and ears are so important and no child could read those signs.

    I spend a lot of time with the new students and their dogs and try to show them some of the warning signs....Most people do not realise it when their dogs show aggression or dominance to another dog. They do not even know friendly or submissive moves. And different breeds show/tell differently too. I could go on forever.........But I won't bore you
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    For sure lip licking and yawning are signs of stress, but sometimes they are not either.

    Like you say, its all in context. In context, I know Pippi is not stressed when she is having her ears rubbed, but reading that website you would think she is.

    And thats where I thought that information was a bit ridiculous.

    While I htought the bones of the site were great, I think there could be a bit more meat

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    To be fair Lala they did state that all of the possible signs of stress have to be read in context, you can't just look at a dog who is yawning or licking its lips and immediately think OMG Stress, you have to look at the environment and what the dog is doing or what is being done to the dog at the time.

    You can only put so much into words and what they are doing is just trying to get parents to be AWARE of the dog and to watch for small signs to try and prevent a bite happening. They also suggest a lot on their website that if people are worried about their dog or see their dog exhibiting any of those sign to contact a behaviouralit and I think that is great advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    To be fair Lala they did state that all of the possible signs of stress have to be read in context, you can't just look at a dog who is yawning or licking its lips and immediately think OMG Stress, you have to look at the environment and what the dog is doing or what is being done to the dog at the time.

    You can only put so much into words and what they are doing is just trying to get parents to be AWARE of the dog and to watch for small signs to try and prevent a bite happening. They also suggest a lot on their website that if people are worried about their dog or see their dog exhibiting any of those sign to contact a behaviouralit and I think that is great advice.

    That is true, they did say about context, but I dont think it was BEFORE the signs, where perhaps it would be a bit better.

    Maybe I am anal, I write for a living so when I see stuff not laid out how I think it should be it "annoys" me (for lack of a better word).

    LOL, I even get annoyed at some of my own posts by I am often too lazy to fix em.

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    JUst wanted to add, I did still think the site was fantastic and have shared it on my FB

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