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    I have looked through the photos of giant schnauzers breeders in Australia and I’ve noticed a few really beautiful dogs on their web site. The most beautiful dogs were those with the cropped ears and docked tails. They look gorgeous!

    Unfortunately tail docking is prohibited in Australia so I am thinking of importing the schnauzer puppy from New Zealand where tail docking is legal. The reason why this is important to me is that certain breeds with undocked tail look really different and not very attractive (for example German boxer or German schnauzer).

    Don’t take me wrong, I am against animal cruelty and tail docking with garden shears but I fully support this if it’s done by veterinarian and with anaesthetic. I know that there are many people who think the opposite, but my argument is: How ethical is to remove the animal’s reproductive organs but not tail?

    Is tail docking illegal in Western Australia as well? Any suggestion (except NZ) where to buy a giant schnauzer puppy with legally docked tail?

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    Natalie

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    Here is a link to the New Zealand kennel club for a start, if you get in contact with them they will be able to give you the details of schnauzer breeders in NZ: New Zealand Kennel Club

    When buying a pup, even from a registered breeders, always make sure they are breeding for the right reasons, health, temperament and breed improvement.

    Cropping is not done in Aus or NZ so you will not be able to get a dog that has been cropped unless you are going further away (ie: USA).

    I won't get into a big tail docking debate here, but basically desexing is done for a purpose, to stop unwanted matings and for health reasons (cancer, pyometra etc) docking in pets is purely cosmetic and unnecessary.

    There is nowhere in Aus toy can legally buy a docked dog, if a breeder is caught docking dogs without a vet certificate stating the tail had to be removed because of damage or deformity they will face hefty fines, no-one would risk that for pet buyers.

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    CL has some good points re desexing etc.

    I personally dont have a problem with tail docking but you will need to import from NZ.

    Ear cropping is not done in NZ or Australia so if you were adamant about having that you would need to go even further afield.

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    I agree with CL

    How ethical is it to surgically alter the dog in the name of "beauty". It's not like the dog can consent.

    Desexing is important to prevent diseases and unwanted puppies, some undesirable behaviour (eg escaping and wandering) and the mess that goes with a bitch on heat.

    You can't equate the two operations or motivations.

    Ethical vets in NZ will not dock tails for cosmetic reasons. So what actually happens is pretty similar to what they do to lambs, ie a very tight rubber band is placed over the the tail by a "trained" person - who isn't required to hold any evidence of "training" or go to a government accredited school etc it's often the breeder.

    For some reason the NZ govt committee decided that puppies less than 4 days old do not suffer too much from having the procedure.

    However I read an enormous thread on the other forum about a doberman puppy who came back from NZ - after the bitch was sent there to give birth. It had an infection and scarring on its tail from the actions of some incompetent "trained person".

    I would seriously think twice about getting a dog from where you cannot meet the parents and check temperment let alone conformation. And if something goes wrong ie the dog is not as promised - good luck sending the dog back and getting a refund.

    And I'd really appreciate it if you didn't mess with the font size before posting. It looks like you're screaming at us.

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    Why can the OP not meet the parents?

    It's NZ, it's only a 3 hour flight and it's pretty inexpensive.

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    All I know is it looks funny to see these dogs that we grew up with that had no tails but now they have to have a tail.
    The ear Cropping is something I really have not seen but I am totally against that.
    Desexing your dog is to stop so many pup coming into the world without knowing if they have a future. So leave this to the breeders I think. And totally agree that the desexing and the Docking are way too far apart from each other to make it a comparison. I am sorry about saying this but it is the way I feel about the subject.

    The docking of tails, well lets have a look at this one as I had a docked tail Rottie but I got her this way. So I read about them and this is sort of what I read.
    The Rottie had its tail docked so when in war the opposition had no idea when the dog was going to attack. With the tail in place they could see the tail rise and this showed them that the dog ment buisness. So they docked the tail to stop this (sorry) tell tail warning.
    This is how or why they began to practice this, pure and simple no other reason.

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    Thank you all for the help. Sorry for the font size, this was my first post, just wanted Times New Roman font……

    I am against ear cropping as well but simply I like some breeds with their tail docked. I couldn’t agree more with Rid. It really looks funny to see the certain breed of dogs that we grew up with that had no tails now they have to have a tail.

    I know it caused a lot of debate here and overseas. I am also aware that there are many advantages and disadvantages of tail docking and desexing procedure. I am looking for a family dog and I am not interested in dog show competition.

    What other people think about Giant Schnauzer as a family & guard dog? Is he OK with other kids, animals or visitors? Does he need a lot of daily exercise?
    Is quarantine required for a puppy imported from NZ?

    I live in the house with the large backyard and two teenage kids. There is a huge, dog friendly - off leash park near my house.

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    That may be true for rotties, but thats not why they dock cockers, or boxers, or GSP etc

    Sometimes its to prevent against injury when working, sometimes its purely cosmetic and I am sure there are plenty of other reasons if you want to take the time to find them lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie68 View Post
    Thank you all for the help. Sorry for the font size, this was my first post, just wanted Times New Roman font……

    I am against ear cropping as well but simply I like some breeds with their tail docked. I couldn’t agree more with Rid. It really looks funny to see the certain breed of dogs that we grew up with that had no tails now they have to have a tail.

    I know it caused a lot of debate here and overseas. I am also aware that there are many advantages and disadvantages of tail docking and desexing procedure. I am looking for a family dog and I am not interested in dog show competition.

    What other people think about Giant Schnauzer as a family & guard dog? Is he OK with other kids, animals or visitors? Does he need a lot of daily exercise?
    Is quarantine required for a puppy imported from NZ?

    I live in the house with the large backyard and two teenage kids. There is a huge, dog friendly - off leash park near my house.
    No quarantin required from NZ. Any other questions about importing from NZ, let me know as I brought both of mine with me when we moved over.

    Cant help you regarding the breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    That may be true for rotties, but thats not why they dock cockers, or boxers, or GSP etc

    Sometimes its to prevent against injury when working, sometimes its purely cosmetic and I am sure there are plenty of other reasons if you want to take the time to find them lol
    Poodles used to have the end third of their tail docked because when they were in the water (retrieving ducks) the hunter lifted them out of the lake/dam/pond by their tail and the hair on their head.
    If they grabbed the thinner tip of the tail there was a chance of injury, by removing that they had no choice but to grab the thicker part.

    I don't know anyone who takes their poodles out hunting.

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