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    Sorry if this is in the wrong spot but I am just after some public opinion on this before I go to the Lands Dept tomorrow and you guys and girls are always so helpful.

    Some of you know my story, my two GSD's got into my neighbours property and fatally wounded two of their sheep. We paid for the sheep and all the other costs and rehomed the dogs, much to our heartache. On completetion of this 'transaction' we showed our neighbour the fence and asked if we could move towards replacing it. He was agreeable and even made noises about bringing out equipment to help.

    Since then I have been getting quotes, taking extra work to pay for the work and generally running around to get it all in order to proceed. Last week I finally had it all in order to give to the neighbour. There was a detailed spreadsheet of the costs, a copy of a fencing contract from the Fencing Act, copies of the Fencing Act and a copy of a factsheet explaining the whole process. I am arranging delivery and EVERYTHING associated. All my neighbour has to do is pay the money that is his share to the designated supplier of goods, I will pay my share and the work will commence.

    So yesterday he tears down to our place with his wife, greets me rudely, refuses to speak to me and will only speak to my husband (who has had NOTHING to do with this). On speaking to my husband he throws all the paperwork at him, tells us that 'it is not a proper contract' and proceeds to tell us that the fence is adequate and he will NOT be replacing it at which point his wife pops in with 'we are rural, this fence serves our purpose so we dont have to do nuthing'. As we were speaking his lambs were escaping on to the neighbours land, through this very fence to which he just said, that doesnt matter. The fence is only 900mm high, his horse is always leaning over it to get our grass and pushing the fence over, his lambs are always out and our dogs pushed through the rusted part to get into his paddock in the first place. He then claims that we are not replacing like for like and there ends his argument with the thrown in comment that we can take it to the Lands Board, if they say it needs replaced he will, he knows the bloke, he lives just up the road, we'll get him down to look at it. In other words, he's my mate, youve got buckleys. He also said that we can leave 'his' fence where it is and build 'our' fence along side of it. We are also not allowed to build 'our' fence and take down his, even if we pay for all of it.

    Anyway here are some pics of the fence in question. Can I please have your honest opinions. He has one cow, one horse and approx 6 sheep and lambs on his side, we have Gigha on ours. The cost of the work will be about $1000 each. The nice fence is what we want to do to replace it which is why his like for like comment is IMO laughable.

    Your comments, either way, are sought.
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    I doubt that it is worthwhile seeking legal help or such, because they look like typical rural fencing. Even if his lambs get through, everyone will say they are harmless. It is usually the way in the Rural areas. Your neighbour sounds like ours. And you will have to live there, so it is better to just get it done. you have to remember that it was your dogs that caused the damage. We also had a similar problem, his stock kept coming on our property. Mini Stallion would visit our mare and goats in our orchard. We did go to see Council, but they told us that we would have to take the legal path and that is too many $$$$'s. So we decided we would do it ourselves and put up netting with a electric wire on top. It seems to have controlled all his problem stock into our pastures and they now only get on to the road. Which we hope will eventually become a Police matter. Because it has been reported by friends.
    You also have to live next door to these people, so you have to maintain a relationship hopefully without them being angry and vindictive, as can often happen.
    I am not very helpful, I just know what you are going through.....sorry it is happening. It does spoil things having those kind of neightbours.
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    Thanks newfsie, yes it was our dogs and yes his lambs are harmless but it's not the point. A fence needs to keep his stock on his side and our stock on our side, he wont let us replace it outright and if i build another fence along side it, which is all he will allow us to do, then we loose some land, the whole thing looks disgusting and then whose to say he wont come along, pull the crudy fence down and take advantage of our good fence that he hasnt paid for??

    I am not asking for a brick or wooden rail fence, just like for like. Why is it so hard?

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    IIf you build a fence along side it, the amount of land lost will be tiny. Just build the fence right up against the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    IIf you build a fence along side it, the amount of land lost will be tiny. Just build the fence right up against the other one.
    I am definitely not saying he is right.......I am just saying that you will want to live there in peace. And sometimes that is s**t. I just try to look into the distance and see what would be better in the long run. Remember you have to live there and you don't want to live in an angry environment. Fence lines are just not worth it. So I would go with the easy path.........Fix it yourselves.
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    Complete agreeance with newfsie here.

    YOu have to keep living there so you dont want to make it unpleasant, and you dont want a repeat of the same horrid thing hapening again either

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    Our relationship is already rubbish and we dont see him and our houses are not close. He is a piraiah in our neighbour hood with his drunken displays at local parties ensuring he is not invited back. We dont have to talk to him and I tried to be so nice yesterday and they were feral from the outset. The relationship doesnt matter.

    I just want to make Gigha safe and keep his animals safe too.

    If the board says the fences arent adequate then great for us and we can go ahead, if they say they are then I will try to negotiate that he pay for plain wire and posts and we replace the old fence, us picking up the cost of the mesh. Trouble is you cant talk sense to him cause even yesterday when he is saying you are not going like for like I am pointing to the mesh on his fence saying this is chicken mesh and he saying no, its vermin proof????? WTF. We also have foxes using our place like a thoroughfare due to the state of disrepair. You would think he would be more worried about his lambs??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerriek_99 View Post
    Our relationship is already rubbish and we dont see him and our houses are not close. He is a piraiah in our neighbour hood with his drunken displays at local parties ensuring he is not invited back. We dont have to talk to him and I tried to be so nice yesterday and they were feral from the outset. The relationship doesnt matter.

    I just want to make Gigha safe and keep his animals safe too.

    If the board says the fences arent adequate then great for us and we can go ahead, if they say they are then I will try to negotiate that he pay for plain wire and posts and we replace the old fence, us picking up the cost of the mesh. Trouble is you cant talk sense to him cause even yesterday when he is saying you are not going like for like I am pointing to the mesh on his fence saying this is chicken mesh and he saying no, its vermin proof????? WTF. We also have foxes using our place like a thoroughfare due to the state of disrepair. You would think he would be more worried about his lambs??!!

    Why ask for advic ehere if you ar enot interested in hearing it?

    His drunken displays etc really have nothing to do with this topic so you just look unreasonable bringing them up to be honest.

    The relationship might not be of concern to you now, but you can guarantee itll get a hell of a lot worse if you fight him over the fence. And neighbour wars are not fun at all.

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    Chicken wire fences are vermin fences...the vermin being rabbits. Most of Queensland has those Rabbit fences running everywhere. It is what we use around our garden (2 acre), 1000mm high, with a live electric on top and a second earth wire just below the live, total of 1400mm. We also have three wires to hold up the "chicken wire". This system of fencing has held all our work dogs (kelpies) and newfie/newfie-puppies in and safe. Even our Border Collie cross Golden. Though she seems to know when it is off and goes into our stables mouse hunting. It also keeps our horses from leaning on the fences. Just speaking from thirty years experience

    Seeing he is such an unreliable character, he would be the last person I would pick a disagreement with. Seeing you cannot be on your property 24/7, you have no idea what such a person could think of to do whilst you are not there. I would always play it safe. And no matter what I try to keep my neighbours friendly, it pays off in the end.
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    I reckon if you pay all of the cost it will still be cheaper than going to the lawyers. At the same time, you need something in writing about what he does agree to do or pay. Focus on what he wants, and if he thinks what you want is too expensive, find out what he thinks is fair. And get him to agree to you covering the cost of the difference.

    I've seen much worse boundary fences than that. The usual rural solution is to eat the lambs that come through the fence. Nobody ever needed to eat their own stock.

    And there is no way any fence of that sort would keep your dogs in.

    I'm thinking another electric wire along the top would stop the horse leaning on the fence and maybe one low down would stop the lambs. Fences with electric wires on them last a lot longer than fences without. And holes like the ones you show are made by all sorts of critters including roos, wombats, rabbits, foxes etc.

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