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    Just thought I would add this...

    What more can the ANKC do? As said they simply do not have the man power to go around checking every single breeder in the country. They rely on honestly from breeders and rely on the buyers to report dodgy sellers.

    National Code of Practice for Hereditary Diseases

    Section 1 - Compliance

    This Code of Practice has been developed to conform to the ANKC Code of Ethics by which all members of each controlling body are bound, and represents the commitment of all members to breed only for the purpose of improving the quality of the breed. This Code of Practice for hereditary diseases shall apply in addition to any code of ethics which is in force in each state.

    Section 2 - Practical Application

    (1) Members will take responsible action to reduce the incidence of hereditary diseases in their breeds.

    (2) Where there is a control program, approved by the ANKC, covering a breed for disease(s) known or considered to be inherited, then breeders within the breed should participate in and comply with the requirements of the program.

    (3) Where an hereditary disease is recognised by the ANKC in consultation with the official breed club(s) to be a designated problem in a breed, and where there is a screening procedure or test for that disease approved by the ANKC:-

    (a) The owner of a stud dog should, before making the dog available for stud duty -

    (i) have a current official evaluation or test result for the dog for such hereditary disease:
    (ii) provide the official evaluation or test result to the owners of the bitch to be mated.

    (b) The owner of a bitch should, before mating her to a dog -

    (i) have a current official evaluation or test result for the bitch for such hereditary disease:
    (ii) provide the official evaluation or test result to the owner of the stud dog

    (4) The ANKC recognises that before approving a screening procedure or test for an hereditary disease that procedure should be:-

    (a) scientifically validated
    (b) reliable
    (c) readily available
    (d) cost effective

    (5) Before any puppy or adult animal is sold, the prospective owners should be advised that the seller has taken all reasonable steps to comply with the Code of Practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Just thought I would add this...

    What more can the ANKC do? As said they simply do not have the man power to go around checking every single breeder in the country. They rely on honestly from breeders and rely on the buyers to report dodgy sellers.

    National Code of Practice for Hereditary Diseases

    Section 1 - Compliance

    This Code of Practice has been developed to conform to the ANKC Code of Ethics by which all members of each controlling body are bound, and represents the commitment of all members to breed only for the purpose of improving the quality of the breed. This Code of Practice for hereditary diseases shall apply in addition to any code of ethics which is in force in each state.

    Section 2 - Practical Application

    (1) Members will take responsible action to reduce the incidence of hereditary diseases in their breeds.

    (2) Where there is a control program, approved by the ANKC, covering a breed for disease(s) known or considered to be inherited, then breeders within the breed should participate in and comply with the requirements of the program.

    (3) Where an hereditary disease is recognised by the ANKC in consultation with the official breed club(s) to be a designated problem in a breed, and where there is a screening procedure or test for that disease approved by the ANKC:-

    (a) The owner of a stud dog should, before making the dog available for stud duty -

    (i) have a current official evaluation or test result for the dog for such hereditary disease:
    (ii) provide the official evaluation or test result to the owners of the bitch to be mated.

    (b) The owner of a bitch should, before mating her to a dog -

    (i) have a current official evaluation or test result for the bitch for such hereditary disease:
    (ii) provide the official evaluation or test result to the owner of the stud dog

    (4) The ANKC recognises that before approving a screening procedure or test for an hereditary disease that procedure should be:-

    (a) scientifically validated
    (b) reliable
    (c) readily available
    (d) cost effective

    (5) Before any puppy or adult animal is sold, the prospective owners should be advised that the seller has taken all reasonable steps to comply with the Code of Practice.
    Sounds good, covers ass they think but not really, it ought not to be 'should' it ought to 'must', and paperwork shown before pups will be registered, it is breed clubs more than the ANKC who bring in demands for certain breeds to have certain tests, you cannot register pups from those breeds without the tests, ought to be the same for any breed for whom genetic tests are available for known problems in the breed.

    And as to the welfare of dogs apart from just health,If kennel clubs in other countries can inspect ALL kennels to be sure the dogs will be kept in apropriate conditions, even proposed kennels must pass inspection, why can't we do this, it is too easy to be a registered breeder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Wrath of the pack? Puhlease, don't so dramatic. Again, the hypocrisy is astounding. You claim to be legitimately upset at my alleged 'personal attacks' and then you immediately weaken your claims by going on the attack yourself.

    If you want to give it, then expect to wear it and stop being a sook about it.

    Back to the subject however, in a simple nutshell - the ANKC cannot do anything. It is NOT a regulatory body. It is primarily, as I stated earlier, a registry body that keeps records of titles and registrations.

    The logical thing to do I would think is to call for change of the structure first and foremost, otherwise you are trying to move shit uphill so to speak, because you are making claims against a registry body that cannot do what you want.
    They step out of merely being a registering body when they decide not to register inbred litters, as they have now, and to tell breeders how often a bitch can be bred, and to demand that some breeds be tested before they will register litters and not others, when they tell breeders it is against the rules to put pups on a limited register unless they are of poor quality.
    When they suggest breeders do not breed toward over exaggeration of physical traits as they have done recently but still allow dogs who are clearly over done to be shown at their venues.
    Cavalier is right this thread has descended to BS I am leaving to you, but maybe go check out how other countries handle things insead of thinking nothing can be done here 'eh.

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    Ok so if the issue is that people want the ANKC to inspect kennels and process paperwork for every dogs tests are you going to volunteer to do it?
    Are you going to pay the inspectors?
    Where is the money going to come from?

    I know I can't afford to pay more fees to continue doing what I'm doing. It costs us $250 a year just to be members without all the extras.

    You do have a good point, but I think focus needs to be put the opposite way around... punish those who do not follow the rules, make it tougher to stay a member.
    Encourage other members and buyers to report bad breeders (anonymously if needed) and have them removed from clubs.
    THAT is achievable, would not cost an arm and a leg and would be effective.

    Forcing breeders to test for diseases that they know full well are not in their lines is going to kill the "business".
    No-one is going to want to spend thousands on testing for each and every litter because someone has decided they have a grudge against the show world.

    I fear for the show world and for purebred dogs with this sort of thinking. It's not like these diseases are new, we wouldn't even know about them without modern technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Cavalier is right this thread has descended to BS I am leaving to you, but maybe go check out how other countries handle things insead of thinking nothing can be done here 'eh.
    Don't let the door hit your tanty throwing ass on the way out either.
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    Crested, none of it is workable and you, and I, and many others know it. If the solution was that simple, it would have started to happen. It isn't though. There are many facets to the problem and the simple minds will continue to throw up their arms in alarm and say "they just need to demand this and that". It is how BSL came about. Life isn't that simple though and cultural change, as well as a structural change of the administration network of purebred dogs needs to undergo a massive change. In the corporate world, they would simply have a "restructure" but it is not possible in this scenario.

    The wise and the knowledgeable breeders will continue to work toward resolutions, while the dumbasses will continually stamp their feet demanding change but having no real input into workable solutions because they cant see the big picture.
    Last edited by Anne; 07-26-2011 at 07:17 PM.
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    I love this thread, it is excellent reading

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    when i start breeding im going to have my dog tested before i bry them by my vet not theres by fact the camms road vet i so funny we go in to get our pet looked at and we come out ing our heads off the last it i was there he try to put a dog musle on me and try to find pus in my sis head lol
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