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Thread: Your Thoughts on ANKC, Showing and the Outcomes for Dogs.

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    Anne is not a moderator or administrator on this forum, therefore cannot ban anybody.

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    Who gets banned because they have a different opinion to me?? I have no control over who is a member here or who isn't. If someone is banned it is because a Moderator thought they should be. :shrug:

    I also did not imply, or use words such as 'moronic byb' nor do I think that. I simply stated my opinion, which is I do not believe you are an exp Cav breeder or even possibly a registered breeder. I usually always state my case openly. I have in this instance.

    Was it warranted in this thread? In hindsight, possibly not and I may have overstepped the boundary. However, my issue stems from the fact that you talk down the whole purebred world in general and infer you have many years of experience in it and this doesn't sit with me and it doesn't fit many of the statements you make. If one makes claims, then I would expect there to be evidence to back it up. From my chair here, I can't see much evidence at all.

    Sorry, but that is the way I feel and how I see it. I will, however, in future threads try to refrain from stating my view again.
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    As breeders, ANKC, or canine assoc's we have a moral obligation to participate in the push to impliment stratagies and regulations with a view to changing the mistakes of the passed 100 years and begin to seriously control genetic diseases in purebred dogs.

    The high frequency of genetic disease that has developed in purebred dogs over the last century has resulted in the desensitization of society and veterinarians to the resultant welfare issues to such an extent that the production of anatomically deformed dogs, such as pugs, bulldogs and daschunds, is neither shocking nor considered abnormal.

    To the contrary, it is taken for granted as part of a typical day as a veterinarian to see such dogs paraded in and out of the clinic for treatment of their problems. But there is no need for the sad state of our purebred dogs to be considered normal, and there is no reason that it cannot be changed. It simply requires initiative and effort on the part of veterinarians, breeders, and breed associations, an effort which to date has not been forthcomming. It is not ok to say, "to hard", it just needs to be a priority...

    Rather than endlessly treating inherited diseases, hoping that we give some level of comfort to our animals and make their lives a bit easier, we should work on preventing such poor states of health before they occur. It is our job, and the job of vets and assoc's to ensure there is someone looking out for the welfare of our loyal canine companions.

    The original ANKC page I posted (in part), shows they are either unwilling or unable, as the governing body, to form an alliance with other assoc's in promoting SERIOUS change to the way they enforce breed standards ie, re educate, regulate judges and health testing for a start.

    Anyway, I dont see the topic here as being an attack on any one particular person and this may well be my last post as i appear to have attracted the wrath of the "pack", so I hope you all enjoy this thread as I have found some of the replies to be very interesting, and fell it is a topic that needs to be addressed. Cheers!
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    Wrath of the pack? Puhlease, don't so dramatic. Again, the hypocrisy is astounding. You claim to be legitimately upset at my alleged 'personal attacks' and then you immediately weaken your claims by going on the attack yourself.

    If you want to give it, then expect to wear it and stop being a sook about it.

    Back to the subject however, in a simple nutshell - the ANKC cannot do anything. It is NOT a regulatory body. It is primarily, as I stated earlier, a registry body that keeps records of titles and registrations.

    The logical thing to do I would think is to call for change of the structure first and foremost, otherwise you are trying to move shit uphill so to speak, because you are making claims against a registry body that cannot do what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    However, my issue stems from the fact that you talk down the whole purebred world in general and infer you have many years of experience in it and this doesn't sit with me and it doesn't fit many of the statements you make. If one makes claims, then I would expect there to be evidence to back it up. From my chair here, I can't see much evidence at all.
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    I have NEVER put down the purebred industry as a whole, only those practices within the industry that I feel are detrimental to the welfare of the breed or individual dogs. Also I have never claimed to be an expert at showing or breeding, while my family has been (some showing) breeding for a very long time, I have stated I have only had 2 litters, and never have been comfortable with the ethics of the ANKC and SOME within the showing fraternity, so by CHOICE do not support that.
    ANY OTHER assumptions you would like me to clear up! Im done...this is BS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    The high frequency of genetic disease that has developed in purebred dogs over the last century has resulted in the desensitization of society and veterinarians to the resultant welfare issues to such an extent that the production of anatomically deformed dogs, such as pugs, bulldogs and daschunds, is neither shocking nor considered abnormal.
    Define what you mean by 'anatomically deformed dogs' when referring to the Pug.

    The Pug has always had a brachycephalic head and it isn't something that has occurred over the last centruy.
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    i can rester nugget
    see by the ankc 6.7 Registration of Associate Dogs – on Associate Register
    (10/07, 7.11) (Amended 10/10, 5.11)
    6.7.1 As from 1 January 2008, it is compulsory PRIOR to the registration of an
    Associate Dog on the National Database, that the application to register such
    dog is accompanied by a Sterilisation Certificate.
    6.7.2 The dog to be permanently identified (such as Microchip) and the permanent
    identified number to be recorded on the Sterilisation Certificate.
    6.7.3 The breed is to be recorded as ‘Associate’ with a number assigned by the
    ANKC Member Body and only the following details are to be recorded on the
    National Database:
    �� name (one word only)
    �� sex - indicated only as either neutered or spayed
    �� microchip number
    �� date of birth (if known)
    �� colour
    Note: The breed or cross breed may be recorded in the notes field for
    further reference.
    6.7.4 The ANKC Member Body will produce an Associate Register Certificate for
    an Associate dog, which indicates the above details.
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    all of this info is on there web site 43456ANKC_REG6_Registration_ down load and i got all my save an printed out and are in a book
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    Good work Kassie. The ANKC website can be a hard site to navigate. You should add to your signature "On my way to becoming a great researcher" too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Good work Kassie. The ANKC website can be a hard site to navigate. You should add to your signature "On my way to becoming a great researcher" too.
    lol thats funny maybe i will do that
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