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    I wish the Judges would remember when dogs are bred for working. I will use my own breed as an example. Some have such gorgeous coats and i appreciate all the work in the coats. But how does that dog work in the water, doing what it is supposed to do. And when you feel some of those dogs they have no muscle mass, which is required for swimming long distance and carting.
    I am not saying all dogs should be working, but a dog should not be penalized for having a working coat, which is beautiful and well kept.
    I have been very lucky lately where a couple of Judges have gone over the dogs and felt the dogs from top to bottom, instead of a quick skim and looking. So we have been able to do well. I would love people to follow the standard and also allow their dogs to do what they were bred to do. or at least breed them so that they are able to do it.
    Some lines of newfies have lost their natural need to rescue and swim, I think that is sad. They have been bred for softer and silkier coats (which are no good for swimming long distance), instead of the quite rough guard hairs they should have.
    And some have become too large/bulky and have changed their facial structure
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    It is similar in the Poodle newfsie, too many soft coats when a poodle really should feel like steel wool.

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    I think the bigger problem is face judging... many a good dog doesnt make it to champion title because the wrong person is on the end of the lead... they can have all the testing in the world won't make any difference..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbastaff View Post
    I think the bigger problem is face judging... many a good dog doesnt make it to champion title because the wrong person is on the end of the lead... they can have all the testing in the world won't make any difference..
    That is why I like overseas Judges
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    Crested, I wonder why you post those pics, if your breed has not been exaggerated over the years, is not in any particular trouble then it is one of the breeds that do not require any intervention from anyone for goodness sake.
    You post photos of one dog with hair and one with little, does that not still occur? body shape looks improved, but was one simply a shite photo? not a lot has changed, so maybe they do not need any intervention either, as for defects it seems some sites think they do have a few.

    Taken from here Chinese Crested Dog - Canada's Guide to Dogs )
    (If you are considering the adoption of a Chinese Crested puppy, or any breed, it is very important to be selective in choosing a responsible and reputable breeder. Ensure that the prospective puppy's parents have all health clearances. Breeding of any dog should not be done until after they have been proven to be free of evidence of significant hereditary diseases. (For more information on selecting a breeder, see the articles on the main Breed Listing and Breeders page.)
     Patellar Luxation
     Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease
     Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA)
     Deafness

    Not a long list compared to many breeds, but more important and more informative than how much hair a dog has, or whether it now stands more proudly would be to mention what you do to ensure you do not have any of these little nasties in your lines.

    I am sure you do test, but you do need to mention it along with those pics because we might not all have read posts where you have mentioned what you and other good breeders do.

    A missing tooth??????????? important?????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with the standard of my breed.

    Certainly I have a type and therefore don't always win under some judges & never will.

    But me like many people who show don't compromise our view of the standard based on winning.

    And we are more than capable of combining both looks and health. I took an 8 year break from the show ring, when I came back far more breeders stringently test their dogs than ever before. So I am seeing steps forward.

    Far more breeders offer to take pups/dogs back and offer cash back on de-sexing like myself.

    We are making huge changes to accommodate the pet buying public.

    I'm starting to feel that really I should just resign myself to becoming a kennel blind BYB.

    If people don't like the ANKC why are they members? Should the show side of the ANKC close down I doubt they would last long at all.
    Mac you seem a bit defensive yet no one has suggested that your breed is exaggerated, all the sight hound working type dogs who have been used for racing and hunting are very sound as breeds go.

    Far more so than many other breeds, they are however not without any sort of fault known as you seem to suggest, Bully whippets occur and the American kennel club want all breeders to DNA test for genetic eye defects, why if there are NO issues?

    Unless you test you simply do not know.

    Just because you personally may breed a half dozen litters who have no problems in your life time it does not mean there are none, it means you are not addressing possible problems which may not occur often but may still be there.

    If even one genetic problem that has been found in a breed is not addressed it will increase in incidence, it only needs one untested show champion with a heritable defect to be bred to a number of bitches from top kennels for that defect to spread rapidly in the breed.

    This is one reason we have certain specific defects in specific breeds already.

    Years ago we had no way to weed out the carriers, for some conditions now we do.

    The reason specific DNA tests available today are recommended for specific breeds is because those tests have been developed for those breeds BECAUSE the conditions are getting to be found too frequently in those breeds, backyarders and puppy farmers do not test as a rule, no company has spent millions developing these tests for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    The photos I have found are not the best sorry, first is from the early 1900's, it shows a Cobby type Crested, the Cobb type is not as popular in Australia.
    The second shows a Deer type Crested from this century. Deer type has a finer body so don't mistake this as the whole breed becoming finer.

    it looks like a
    Clydesdale just small and it not a horse it, it s,its, A DOG lol
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    This is why the ANKC should require testing


    Primary Lens Luxation Verified on: 02/06/11
    Animal Id Specimen Site Result
    Milly Dry Swab Carrier



    This result above is for an Australian Bulldog bitch with 'papers' we sent her in simply as Milly which is NOT her kennel name, the result of that full panel of DNA tests shows why it is well worth while to do tests, Milly is a carrier for a genetic condition not known in any breed supposedly used to create the Aussie Bulldog, which is what she is.

    It is known in very few breeds in fact, the only one likely to be in Australia and possibly in the Australian Bulldog is the Miniature Bull Terrier!

    the same company that tested her has found other unusual conditions in other ANKC breeds not normally tested for because they are not known in those breeds.

    All proof that if you do not test you do not know what is in there.

    I have her DNA profiled along with all our other dogs, and her photo is still on her breeders site, unmistakably the same dog, so no mistake there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with the standard of my breed.

    Far more breeders offer to take pups/dogs back and offer cash back on de-sexing like myself.

    If people don't like the ANKC why are they members? Should the show side of the ANKC close down I doubt they would last long at all.
    Hello mac, You are indeed one of the privilaged few breeding whippets that have no inherited genetic disorders it seems, it must make your life that much easier. You obviously love the breed.
    With over 500 different genetic malformations and diseases around in purebreds, most other breeds are not so lucky. It's not that I dislike the ANKC, but agree with the poster above that breeders are more likely to be attracted to the exagerated traits, often limiting breed functionality, health etc.. when those breed malformations are favoured by judges / breed standards. As the only governing body associated with purebreeds and showing they need to stop the excuses (initial post) and start to become serious about the impacts of breed standards/judges preference on the overall health of the purebred industry.

    What do you feel about opening all dog breed registries to allow an increase in genetic variation?
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    dos any one know if i can res ngget as papered the olny proben is that her dad is not reser
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