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    IMO; if we take away the 'play or not' issue; we are still left with a dog off leash in a public place and an owner with questionable/ negligible control.

    I find this unacceptable regardless of breed or even if the dog is friendly or not.

    Quite frankly, I will state my opinion to any owner who approaches me and my dogs with their dog off leash. I also let them know that if my dogs (on leash) injure their off leash dog, I will not be responsible. Any off leash dog who bounds up to and in between a bonded pair like my guys is asking for trouble, hence my dogs are never off leash in public. End of story.

    I have also been known to leash the off leash dog (I keep a supply of cheap leashes for this purpose) and tie it to a tree/ fence so I can leave. On occasions where no owner is to be seen, I might leash the dog and deliver it to the pound.

    I'm not flexible on this issue- and I fail to see why putting a leash on a dog is so hard.

    I also chose to avoid areas I know are prone to uncontrolled dogs and idiot owners

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvershadowwolf24 View Post
    Staffies (at least all the ones I've met) have really looked aggressive when they play. Snarling, hackles raised, biting (mouthing), but they are just playing. The dog you met doesn't really sound aggressive to all to me, more just a pushy young dog.
    I personally don't think that other dog owners should have to be aware or tolerate this.

    I train dogs and I take Obedience classes. I teach people not to allow this. This is why some Breeds have to carry all the Breed baggage. If dogs cannot play nicely, they should not be off leash in an area where they are not known. Its fine if a whole lot of people with dogs who play the same get on and have fun. But some poor unsuspecting owner who does not know this will only expect the worst.
    If I allowed my newfies to play as newfies play, very rough and tumble, with all other dogs. there would be lots of injuries and terrified owners.
    We as dog owners need to keep our dogs under control or teach them social manners.

    Mind you my dogs (at least one of them) would not tolerate a dog growling at her. Hence she is never off leash in an unknown area. She is my responsibility. But if she is on leash and a dog rushes her, I will have control
    If I had any dogs coming up to my dogs with raised hackles and growling I would leave........And I would expect the owner to leash their dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    Anyway bit off topic but yes, I have been on the receiving end of owners thinking Ruby was killing their dog and its not nice but i have also been on the recieving end of a dog aggressive dog (With my roomies little dog) Both I pretty much told them to pull their heads in.

    I would think that most of us have been on the receiving end. Nero is still just a big puppy and gets very excited when he sees other dogs. Not all dogs appreciate him jumping up and down in front of them and trying to play, especially smaller dogs are often a bit intimidated. When I notice another dog being uncomfortable I take him on the lead or just walk away if I can. Easy.

    Sometimes it's the owner who is freaking out. He was playing with a little terrier X recently, happily chewing away on his neck. The other dog enjoyed this game thoroughly - but although she didn't say anything I could tell the owner was a bit tense. And fair enough, she didn't know us and why should she believe me - a complete stranger - that my dog is entirely and utterly harmless. All she could see was a jetblack 30+kg dog chewing her baby.

    If such a thing happens I make him stop, it's as simple as that. It doesn't even have to be a big deal, I may just distract him with something. I.e. I threw them a stick so they can still have fun together but chew on the stick rather than each other, which relaxes the owner... everyone's happy.

    I just think if I own a dog that is in control of the situation, simply because it is older / bigger / more aggressive / rougher / whatever,... than I'm automatically in charge as well. It's my responsibility that the situation doesn't escalates and I have to take action to control my dog in whatever way is appropriate.

    So I was really staggered about this owner. We were three people with three dogs and it was not all happy play. It was a bit of a tense situation and both my friend and I raised it, yet she just shrugged it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie
    I personally don't think that other dog owners should have to be aware or tolerate this.
    I wasn't suggesting that she should have to tolerate it. I was just letting her know that this is how a lot of staffies play, and therefore the dog was probably not being aggressive as she originally thought. Although both aren't wanted in this case, I think a playful puppy is a little easier to deal with then an aggressive dog.

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    I actually really hate dog parks. They are sort of a damned it you do and damned if you don't.

    Many times I've pulled up at the dog park and left before even getting out of the car because I know the dynamics of the dog park will not suit my dogs and I can either see trouble is brewing or adding my lot will cause trouble.

    A bad incident at a dog park can damage a dog, even if the other dog is just being overly friendly or rough.

    But if you don't get your dog out there his social skills will be lost.

    This is why I love obedience clubs. Normally you will find a group of people & their dogs who your dog comes to know and suits the personality of your dog.

    When I run puppy preschool no puppy is allowed off lead until 3 weeks into the course. That way I've got to know what the puppies are like and the puppies have gotten to know each other a bit too, which groups would work best together etc.

    Sometimes we want our dogs to be too social.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margoo View Post
    Sometimes it's the owner who is freaking out. He was playing with a little terrier X recently, happily chewing away on his neck. The other dog enjoyed this game thoroughly - but although she didn't say anything I could tell the owner was a bit tense. And fair enough, she didn't know us and why should she believe me - a complete stranger - that my dog is entirely and utterly harmless. All she could see was a jetblack 30+kg dog chewing her baby.

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    Oh I have so been in this situation numerous times, last time was actually with this beefy staffy bitch with a sparkly collar and I think her name was charlotte or harlet or something like that! I was like Oh god women if you wanted a gentle princess dog you picked the wrong breed.

    But You are right, if I ever sense tension from an owner It is deffinately my resposibility to get ruby away from their dog.



    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I actually really hate dog parks. They are sort of a damned it you do and damned if you don't.

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    I love dog parks but its true they can cause problems, sometimes I have been and had to leave after 5 mins because of either my dog or someone elses, other times I have stayed there for up to three hours having a great time all round!
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    Quote Originally Posted by silvershadowwolf24 View Post
    I wasn't suggesting that she should have to tolerate it. I was just letting her know that this is how a lot of staffies play, and therefore the dog was probably not being aggressive as she originally thought. Although both aren't wanted in this case, I think a playful puppy is a little easier to deal with then an aggressive dog.
    The word here is probably...Do you wait till your dog is bitten, because the other dog was probably playing. or do you go by how most dogs show what they are up to when they raise their hackles and or growl.
    I am amongst a lot of dogs often and have been for many years. I think I am getting quite good at reading dogs. What some owners perceive as play, I know and believe is only a cat whisker from aggression. And if they other dog does not submit, it will be aggression. Or even the other dog may think of it as aggression.
    I use my baby newf Katy to test the waters for an exact reading. If dog growl at her in play and she is happy and continues to play, I know it is play. But when she lowers her head, as she has done when the owners tell me their dog is playful, I know that she is worried and that the other dog is not really playing and being dominant, though i hate using that word. I have always lived with a pack of dogs. I get a lot of practice at reading dogs and I also take Beginner classes for Dog Obedience. Which is where all the most unruly dogs are with usually "green" owners. The amount of times they will say, when their dog grapple another dog or lunge...."oh he is friendly'' are amazing. And by knowing dogs and seeing the reaction of the other dog you can see they are not.
    I would just say be careful. Careful is better then "if only". Which is usually too late. I love dogs, all breeds, I love dogs to get together and play. But we should be careful and aware of our dogs.
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    I don't own a Staffie or a Bull Terrier, but when we were looking for a different breed I looked at Bull Terries and they actually said that they play totally different to other breeds.
    What I may think is aggresive behaviour, the actual own will be thinking this is normal.
    No, we don't have to read up on how all dogs play and nor should we.
    Can you tell me if the park is an off leash park and if not then maybe you have the rights to call the ranger out to this dog.
    But if you can sort this sort of thing out without the need of a 3rd party it will work out way better for all in the long run.

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    Doesn't matter if the park is off leash or not. If you don't have effective control of your dog at all times you are still breaking the council laws.

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    I have no intention (or reason) to report the owner and definitely want to sort it out with her. It's not an off leash park by the way. I live in the country with no off leash parks around. It's a small fenced reserve with a clearing and a much loved dam in the middle. A lot of the locals take their dogs there. Most dogs we know and never had any problems. I believe owners with problematic dogs don't go anywhere near this reserve because some of the dogs living next door, occasionally show up without their owners for a play and then just go home again.

    Since I myself am one of the 'green dog owners' I was taken aback by her reaction and uncertain if I completely overreacted and did the hysteric doggy mum thingy... And well, YEEES... perhaps I am a little hysteric!! Anyway after thinking a while about it, then our second encounter (and my friend thankfully backing me) as well as (some) of the reactions here, gave me a bit more confidence that I really shouldn't have to take this from her. And I also didn't really like seeing her dog shying away from her when she tried to put him on the lead. Her comment 'No no, I'm not going to hit you' didn't really make it any better.

    So next time I see her and her dog I think I'll just try and talk with her about it. I have never seen her or her dog before so perhaps she is new to the area. In that case she should know that there are quite a few roaming dogs out and about at any given time of the day anyway.

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