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    Is Cafe Bones good? I'm wondering whether or not I should go with non-dog owner friends. I don't know of any off leash areas like this in the inner west Sydney.

    I always ask the manager first whether or not I'm allowed to bring my dog to their restaurant. Most of the time, there aren't any signs that it's a dog friendly place, but they allow dogs to be there. Then I find other customers in the restaurant give me odd looks because they find it either weird/awesome to bring a dog to a restaurant. Despite Australia being a "dog-friendly" country, there certainly are lots of laws in place which make it not so dog-friendly in comparison to other countries.
    I think dog-owners have less opportunities to bring their dogs to places - which make it an odd appearance once a dog is found sitting under/beside a table while their own eats. It's not seen often enough for it to be accepted by the general public - this is what I think. Most of the time places don't specify (especially on websites) whether it's dog-friendly or not, so I take a bet guess whether it'll likely be dog-friendly or not - and normally it turns out to be dog-friendly.

    On another note - I also think the owner needs to be smart and use common sense. If a dog naturally sheds a lot, they shouldn't bring it out to cafes/restaurants on busy days, especially if it's windy. On not so busy times/days, I don't see anything wrong with bringing your best friend out to sip on coffee as they're less of a "bother" to the community.

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    This is another of those "nanny state" issues. Usually it is not the dog people object to so much in OUTDOOR cafes, as the dogs behaviour. The same goes for children. I have always walked my dogs along a beautiful river path, there had always been a friendly outdoor cafe along the way where I stopped, dogs under the table and had something to eat and a coffee.

    I never fed the dogs there, insisted they lie down and be still, was never there long and there were never any complaints. That cafe closed and the new owners didnt want dogs there ...fine, I dont go there anymore, they have lost my patronage and that of the many other responsible dog walkers in that area.

    The problem is not with the dogs, or the children....it is the irresponsible owners who allow them to create havoc for other patrons that should be banned. I am not sure why some parents walk into a resturaunt with small children and make the entire room feel as if they should help control them??

    If you dont have control over your dog or child, you shouldnt take it where they can bother other people. But if you are a responsible dog owner...not sure why you should be punished for the bad ones, and disallowed from outdoor eating areas.

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    The issue for some people isn't the behaviour of the dogs, (although that does play a big part in some cases yes), it's just the simple fact of them being there.

    Many people do not see dogs as these loving, sociable family members, they see them as dirty, slobbery animals.

    Look at some of the Muslim countries that want to ban dogs completely, the people who do have dogs in these countries do not let them in the house or any area where they eat. Granted that does not apply to Australia, but it does show that just because "you" like dogs, doesn't mean other people do as well.

    What purpose does taking your dog to a cafe to sit at your feet have?
    I'm sure the dog would much rather be walking through a park or running on the beach than tied to a table.
    I just don't get why it's necessary when there are a lot of people who dislike it.

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    What purpose? Like Cavalierqld said... it's nice to have a coffee or a drink in your favourite cafe after you took your dog for a walk in the park or on the beach, rather than rushing home because you don't want your dog to sit in a hot car waiting for you.

    It's not necessary and it doesn't serve a particular purpose. Having the choice between a 'no-dog' cafe and a 'dogs-welcome' cafe just makes my life a little bit more relaxed every now and again, so what's the purpose of taking this away from me.

    The initial question was whether dogs should be banned altogether from outdoor cafes. My view is that this is just as unnecessary and that it should be up to the individual owner whether they want patrons with or without dogs. As long as everyone has a choice where to go for a coffee I can't really see the problem and just don't understand what purpose it would have to ban dogs in cafes generally.

    I also don't really get why the fact that Muslim countries don't accept inside dogs should matter here. This is a purely religious matter, as inside dogs are haram as far as I know. There are many haram things, that are perfectly normal in our society... hamsandwiches for example. And sex before marriage

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    We love going for walks through village/towns nearby and stop to have a coffee or lunch at some places outdoors with our dogs, quietly sitting with us. And we love to have a couple of our dogs with us. And we have met many people and had very interesting conversations with lots of people who probably would never have bothered to chat to us. Is it because we have super friendly well mannered dogs?? Maybe newfies just attract people. We notice a huge difference as to how social our walks are with and without dogs. Don't take the dogs if you are in a hurry. Take the dogs if you want to have a social outing. See kids laugh and cuddle your dog, see people smile and chat to people and get lots of questions about the dogs, such as 'we used to have one", i always wanted one", Do they eat a lot", what are they" etc. I see that as a real purpose in my life........
    Pets are forever

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    What purpose? Like Cavalierqld said... it's nice to have a coffee or a drink in your favourite cafe after you took your dog for a walk in the park or on the beach, rather than rushing home because you don't want your dog to sit in a hot car waiting for you.
    Why a hot car? If you know you are stopping for coffee, and there are no dogs-welcome places, leave them HOME, take them for a walk later.

    Having the choice between a 'no-dog' cafe and a 'dogs-welcome' cafe just makes my life a little bit more relaxed every now and again, so what's the purpose of taking this away from me.
    Exactly! You want to be able to choose to go to a dog-friendly cafe, just as non dog lovers should be able to choose to go to a cafe that does not allow pets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Why a hot car? If you know you are stopping for coffee, and there are no dogs-welcome places, leave them HOME, take them for a walk later.
    You sound like a very well organised and highly structured person I'm afraid I'm nothing like that. I tend to spontaneous decisions (like feeling like a coffee after a walk on a beach') and sometimes I even decide on a whim whether I eat out for lunch or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Exactly! You want to be able to choose to go to a dog-friendly cafe, just as non dog lovers should be able to choose to go to a cafe that does not allow pets.
    See... I'm with you on this one. That's what I've said all the time. It should be up to the owner... if everyone has a choice where is the problem? I just oppose the general ban.

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    Bottom line for me is the owner of the establishment. Dog friendly..then people who want no dogs don't go there and no dogs allowed, those with dogs go elsewhere.

    There is no point debating the rights and wrongs of it as it is all subjective and no one will change anyone elses opinion to what they see.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    [QUOTE=Crested_Love;130505]The issue for some people isn't the behaviour of the dogs, (although that does play a big part in some cases yes), it's just the simple fact of them being there.

    True, more a case of intolerance and selfishness I guess.

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    [QUOTE=margoo;130507]The initial question was whether dogs should be banned altogether from outdoor cafes. My view is that this is just as unnecessary and that it should be up to the individual owner whether they want patrons with or without dogs. As long as everyone has a choice where to go for a coffee I can't really see the problem and just don't understand what purpose it would have to ban dogs in cafes generally.

    And I believe it's around 79% of the population own dogs (or is that pets in general), so it really is selfish of the minority here to try and ban dogs from ALL outside eating area's as they are lobbing the health department to do. As margoo says, it should be an individual decision on the part of the owner. Some no dog cafes for those that dont want the slobber ;-), some that welcome dogs, everyones happy!

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