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    So my partner and I have rescued a pregnant female from death by getting put to sleep by her own because she was pregnant.
    We got her at about 56-58days and had her to vet which she had an ultrasound and xray to see how many pups there (4 possibly maybe just 3)
    The vet has told me to ring anytime I have a question but I don't really want to disturb them because I know they are busy and it's probably a question that can be answered elsewhere.
    I have had days of reading on the internet but alot seems to be conflicting from one site to another.

    We set up here 'den' in the spare bathroom in the shower. The door is always open for her. I have removed all the blankets and towels as the vet told me to because pups often die getting tangled in them.
    So she only has newspaper now.
    This morning when I went in to see her because she hadn't come and woke me up I noticed that she had diarrhea in her bed.
    Since we have had her she has never had an accident inside let alone in her bed.
    I also noticed yesterday that she pee'd in there too and again this morning. I'm aussing this is because her bladder maybe getting a little pressure put on it because of the pups.
    But the diarrhea I'm confussed about she hasn't had it since we've had her and we've been using the samepuppy food her previous owner did.
    Could this be a sign?? Today is her EDD acording to vet so she's about 63-65 days.

    I know that after the pups are born Mum and babies need to see the vet no more than 12hrs later. They also need to be wormed ect.
    I have a temp app made for her for 68-70 days incase the pups aren't here. *crossing fingers* they will be.
    I have spoken to the RSPCA regarding this and they are looking into it as I know her previous home has other dogs who are de-sexed.
    I'm not into the taking the temp thing, the vet offered to show me what to do but I declined. She wasn't comfortable with the vet doing it so I don't really feel comfortable doing it at home.
    She will be getting de-sexed when the pups are in their new homes.

    Sorry for the long question, I appreciate any help or information you can give.

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    Yes, it could be a sign.

    It could also be stress and the fact she wasn't toilet trained very well.

    What breed of dog is she and what has she been mated with?
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    Have a look at my thread, some great advice in there.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...st-season.html

    I think the pups were born about page 8.

    They are now 19 months old.

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    It has been a very long time since I've been on the site, (previously mouseandchicken) but in this instance I wanted to offer a bit of assistance; I've been breeding and showing dogs for years.

    Have you considered making a whelping box if you have a handy partner/father/FIL as the shower at this time of year, unless you live in an extremely warm part of Aus will be very cold. Also I like to have access to all sides of the whelping box on the big day.

    Our box is made out of timber just a four sided box with sides approximately 50cm high with one side slightly lower so the bitch can come and go (all dependent on the size of the bitch of course) with a pig rail all the way around (google pig rail and examples with come up). We don't have a floor to the box that way it's nice and light to pick up to change the bedding etc.

    We have a pce of lino cut a bit bigger than the box and the box sits on this.

    Plenty of newspaper for the birth is great, once that is all done we put down a product called vetbed it can be bought online, it is easily washed, great for the puppies later on to get good grip on as they start to move around and is warm with some cushioning for the bitch. It is easily machined washed and can be used later in a kennel or crate so is never a waste.

    The vet is right puppies easily get caught up or under piles of bedding but a shower recess (if I've read right) with newspaper down may be cold.

    Refusing food, vomiting, clear discharge, temperature changes, loose motions etc - some bitches display some, all or none of these changes shortly before birth.

    Best of luck.

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    Welcome back.

    I was hoping an experienced breeder would offer advice.
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    Hey MAC, welcome back.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    DOH cyberspace stole my long post!!! OK think I'll write some,post,edit, post some more etc.

    First point, I would NOT wait up to 68 days if nothing happened. 63 days is all I would wait, at 65 I would be in panic mode. I rely heavily on temperature changes to know when they are about to whelp, their temp will drop about 18 hours (give or take 4) before they start whelping and there is often a rise back up an hour or so before. Still, that doesn't help you if you have chosen not to do that.

    Loose bowel motions for no other reason are a common sign that you will have pups in the next 24 hours. Often the bitch will also have a mucousy discharge from the vulva (quite normal for a day or two before whelping) and sometimes (but definitely not always) you will get a little milk if you just gently squeeze the full mammaries. It is also common (although not in my breed, greedy buggers!) for the bitch to have no appetite for the day prior to whelping.

    So if all of these signs are present, then birth is imminent and things should start to happen within the next 12 - 18 hours. If say, two or three of those signs are present then I would assume the same. Only one, then you may have a day or two more to wait.

    Closer to the birth time, she will probably get very restless and may start scratching up the newspaper to build a nest. If you don't have a whelping box or a large plastic bowl type dog bed for her to whelp in, then try to find some large cardboard boxes and flatten some for insulation under the newspaper and if possible a large box for her to be in - it helps if they have something with sides to brace themselves against when straining. If you have nothing else, line the bathtub with insulating cardboard or matting and then cover that liberally with newspaper. You may also want to have ready a box with a hot water bottle and old towels to put the babies in if it becomes necessary - sometimes you need to pop them in there so that she doesn't squash them while having more contractions. If the worst happens and she needs to be rushed to the vet then you will need that box and hot water bottle to transport babies already born.

    Things to watch out for: If absolutely nothing happens in the next 36 hours I would definitely consult your vet.
    If she starts straining (contractions are usually easily visible) and /or panting and no puppies arrive within 2 hours, she will need to see a vet urgently.
    Likewise if some puppies are born, but she is panting or straining and it is more than 2 hours since the birth of the last pup, emergency vet again.
    Don't be afraid to phone your vet even if it is 2am - all the vets I know would rather be woken and either give advice on the phone or tell you to bring the bitch to after-hours surgery then have someone not call them until business hours and then be faced with an extremely ill, possibly dead or dying dog.

    There will be afterbirths, it is probably a good idea to count them so that you can tell the vet they next day whether or not the number of afterbirths matches the number of pups or not. You can let her eat them (if she wants to), or take them away and dispose of them, as you please. If there are some missing, it is fine to wait until the next day and take her in for her cleanout injection.

    All the horrible things that can go wrong probably won't (unless your girl or the sire is from a large headed breed like the bull breeds, staffies, flatfaces, cairns, bassets etc.) but if you know in advance what to watch out for, you will be more relaxed and that will help to put her at ease. Do let your vet know if she is showing any signs of whelping in the next 12 hours or so, they will advise you on contact times, numbers etc and probably give you more tips that I've forgotten.

    Good luck and we are looking forward to hearing of an incident-free whelping.

    End of multiple edits - did one more for typos (probably missed a few!)
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    OT, tick the remember me box to avoid auto log out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    OT, tick the remember me box to avoid auto log out.
    Ah, thank you!

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    Thank you all so much for the advice it has come in very handy.
    She's a daschund x mini foxie and the dad is a mini daschund x mini foxie.
    Apparently I'm just a worrier as my partner likes to call me. Any noise at night I jump and and check on her. Only be greeted with a wagging tail and lots of kisses. Which is great just can't wait to be greeted with a labouring girl.

    Thank you all again I can't wait to see these beautiful little guys and girls.

    Also is it best not to name them? Do you get more attached if you name them?
    I was thinking of getting different colour ribbon to tell them appart since I'm not a girly girly and have any nail polish. The Mum is black and white and apparently dad was a tri colour. So I'm guessing the pups maybe all about the same colouring.

    I DON'T WANT TO GET ATTACHED!!! I keep telling myself everyday these are just little gifts that we should appreciate that we have been able to be apart of and not get attached. How can you not??

    Thank you all again I can't say it enough!!!

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