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    HI Everyone,

    Could someone please explain hip scores to me? I have the hip and elbow scores of both parents for our new puppy but having never bought from a breeder before I have no idea what they mean.

    Could someone enlighten me please

    Thanks

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    Hip scores rate the hip joint.

    The lower the number the better.

    So a score of 0/0 means the dog has the best possible score on both the left and the right joint.
    A score of 0/5 means one side is excellent, and the other side is good.

    Every breed has it's own set of numbers they are allowed to go up to before it becomes a problem.
    Some breeds a score up to 12 is still considered ok, while other breeds only allow the scores to go to 5.

    By having excellent scores on both parents it means the pup has the best chance at also having good hips.

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    Great to see that your breeder had her dogs scored

    I really like the first site to give you some idea of what the scores are

    Veterinary Imaging Associates

    Hip score - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    thanks so much for that

    Still goes a bit over my head
    This is off the breeders website and this is how its written
    Mum - 4.3.0.0
    Dad - 0.0.0.0

    is that good??? thats both hip and elbow

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    Mine are written differently

    I have a table that I have for one of my dogs reads like this. The reading was done in Western Australia, where all our readings of the x-rays are done. (Australian Veterinary Radiology Service)

    Hip score
    Norberg Angle (R) 0 (L) 0
    Subluxation (R) 1 (L) 2
    Cranial Acetabular Edge (R) 0 (L) 0
    Dorsal Acetabular Edge (R) 0 (L) 0
    Cranial Effective Acetabular Rim (R) 0 (L) 0
    Acetabular Fossa (R) 1 (L) 0
    Caudal Acetabular Edge (R) 0 (L) 0
    Femoral Head/Neck Exostosis (R) 0 (L) 0
    Femoral Head Recontouring (R) 0 (L) 0
    total (R) 2 (L) 2 score = 4
    Australian grade 1 there are 6 levels 0 being best
    International Grade B there are A-E, A being best

    Elbow grade........................Right 0
    ........................Left 0

    The score is 0 out of 3

    Hope this helps. As you can see from my avatar we have newfs and all our dogs are scored
    Last edited by newfsie; 06-16-2011 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Table is not coming out
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    No offense to newfsie, but I know about hip scores and that confused me

    In short... yes those scores are good.
    I'm guessing the 4.3. on the mum is the hips, which is good... not excellent, but certainly not anything to worry about.

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    Add on, I am sure the 0 scores would be excellent, but I am not sure in what context.
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    In addition to the other posters responses, you do need to know your Breed's average hip score so you can compare your pup's parents hip scores with the breed average. If you have been given a copy of the parent's Hip & Elbow scoring report, it should contain the breed average, and then all you need to do is add the right and left hip scores together for each parent (i.e. lets say the mum's score is 4 for right hip & 5 for left hip (4/5) then the total is 9 for mum so you then compare this against the breed average for your breed to see how the mum's score compares against the breed total. You do the same thing for the dad's scores. Whilst the lower the better, particularly lower than the breed average, you need to also be mindful that it is better to have fairly equal scores for each hip i.e. 4/4 is better than say 1/6 or 1/5 as even though the total of 1/6 or 1/5 is lower than the total of 4/4, a 4/4 score indicates both hips are the same, whereas the 1/6 or 1/5 indicates uneven hips with the left hip having the higher score indicating a problem in the left hip.

    If you are concerned with the hip scores discuss them with your breeder as whilst most breeders aim to breed dogs with low hip/elbow scores, they do also breed dogs that may be close to/equal to the breed average or even slightly over it as they also consider other important factors when breeding a dog, like temperament which is extremely important. A puppy buyer that is not knowledgeable about the breed may consider the breed average hip scores to be quite high, but it really depends on the breed and the potential for joint problems. This is particularly so for large and giant breeds. My breed is the Labrador Retriever and the and the breed average hip scores for Labs is 12, so it is quite reasonable for Lab breeders to breed Labs with hip scores up to 12, particularly if they have an excellent pedigree/excellent lines. Breeders have to take many things into consideration when determining which dogs to breed and just because a dog has low hip scores, it may not be a great example of the breed as it may not have the correct breed temperament and or may not be physically close enough to the breed standard for the breeder to breed it.

    My breed of choice is prone to joint problems, both hip and elbows and whilst I don't have an issue with hip scores up to the average breed score of 12 for Labs, I am more particular on the elbows and expect elbow scores of 0 in both parents as I believe elbows to be more of a problem than hips for my breed.

    If you really want to learn as much as possible about hip/elbow scoring, you should get a copy of your pup's parent's Hip & Elbow Scoring Report/Certificate from the Breeder if you don't have them already as this should list the individual scores for each area of the hip joint that the Radiologists score and there are 9 areas that are individually hip scored/graded. You can then follow the link above that one of the other posters gave you to Veterinary Imaging Associates who explain on their website each of the areas that are scored during the hip scoring and it alos gives an explanation of each of the scores for each of those areas. Elbow Scoring is a lot less complicated than hip scoring as the elbow joint only is graded, rather than different areas of the elbow, so a dog receives one score only for each elbow (0 or 1 or 2 or 3).

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    Ok whilst I was typing up my first reponse, you posted the parents hip/elbow scores. The dad's scores are excellent as he has 0 for both hips and elbows. As I don't know what breed your pup is and what the breed average is, I cannot comment on the mum's hip scores, but her elbows are excellent with a score of 0 for her elbows.

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    Thanks Labsrule. We are actually getting a Choc lab so your info has been very helpful and we are getting a copy of all the scores and papers etc

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