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Thread: HALAL- Blood on Our Hands

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    Exclamation HALAL- CAUTION: footage contains graphic animal abuse & violent material.

    As an Australian born citizen of this country and a country that I consider myself as part of the sector of animal lover, advocate, animal enthusiast-I have posted this in the general forum as the previous thread did not evoke all but one interest from an animal lover.

    If I am in breach of spamming, I believe it to be for a cause that is developing into one of the largest atrocites this country has ever witnessed. Therefore, as an animal activist, I take that risk in the name of those that are suffering the most horrific suffering and torture daily.

    I feel, that every animal forum should be enlightened to the full truth, the full details as every animal lover has contacts. The quicker that those against this form of animal abuse can amass numbers, the more pressure can be applied to the governing bodies.

    The previous thread Cattle outcry that I posted in contains the full link for the video that all animal lover's need to see to the point (as best as their stomach, heart and soul can withstand-it is harsh, it is uncomfortable, it is soul twisting-yet a fraction of what those are withstanding, our cattle! Bill, the third animal-words fail me, I admittedly could look on no longer-half hour of torture, eyes gouged out (gone_ with prying fingers into the orbital cavity-by authority of our government and our taxes). This is the truth, the real footage.


    Our government, whether you be left or right winged is allowing and perpetuating these disgusting, soul wrenching, acts-and paying for others to torture our cattle.

    I feel offended that we are being spoken for and governed as to the delegation of my tax on something I do not consent to, nor want any hand in.

    To have this chapter that is outraging not only Austrlian's but the world, declared complete, the time is NOW!

    MY faith-my choice (Not offered to offend-an example of my frustration only in having another faith forced on me-to accept). purely my frustration.
    Isaiah 66:3-4

    "He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a
    lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as
    if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed
    an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul
    delighteth in their abominations."

    ================================================== ====================COPY petition at: GetUp! - Ban Live Export
    Dear friends,

    This is incredible. In just 2 days, over 105,000 Australians have joined our campaign to end live animal exports. If you have seen this shocking footage of how Australian cattle are being treated, you know why.

    We've just learned that 3 more boats of cattle are being loaded to depart for Indonesia tomorrow. The animals on those boats are bound for Indonesian slaughterhouses where they will be maimed and tortured before suffering the most painful deaths that the animal welfare movement has ever seen.

    What's more, this callous slaughter is carried out in facilities that use equipment paid for by Australian taxpayers and inspected by Australian authorities.

    We're delivering the huge national petition to Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig at 3pm tomorrow. Can you add your name now and forward this to friends and family?

    GetUp! - Ban Live Export

    So far, the Government have failed to stop more Australian cattle suffering, despite the shocking footage provided by Animals Australia and shown this week on ABC's Four Corners.

    The Minister has committed to banning exports to 11 abattoirs in Indonesia. But that's not nearly enough. There are over 100 slaughterhouses in Indonesia, and only 8 are equipped with the stun technology that is standard here in Australia. Furthermore, animal welfare experts tell us that this partial ban will be impossible to enforce because of the way cattle exports work.

    A huge public outcry right now, while the Government and the public are paying close attention, can ensure that not one more ship loaded with Australian cattle is allowed to leave an Australian port bound for these cruel Indonesian slaughterhouses.

    Please add your name and forward this email to friends and family:

    GetUp! - Ban Live Export

    Thanks for being part of this,
    the GetUp team
    Last edited by Dakota_Chey; 06-02-2011 at 09:59 AM. Reason: Christian beliefs offensive
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    Sorry, but I find your reasoning somewhat offensive and flawed and I can't see this thread doing anythign but inciting hatred and spreading incorrect information.

    The animals are stunned before slaughter at any rate.

    I don't believe in your God either. Christians have committed more barbaric acts in the name of God than any other religion in my view.
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    Post No love lost

    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Sorry, but I find your reasoning somewhat offensive and flawed and I can't see this thread doing anythign but inciting hatred and spreading incorrect information.

    The animals are stunned before slaughter at any rate.

    I don't believe in your God either. Christians have committed more barbaric acts in the name of God than any other religion in my view.
    You are free to support this torture-You are free to support Halal meat. Would have been nice had you have taken the time to read all that was posted. Obviously, that is not the case. You protest that stunguns are used, you have not watched the video.
    Fact: Know the facts. We just learned that 3 more boats of cattle are being loaded to depart for Indonesia tomorrow. The animals on those boats are bound for Indonesian slaughterhouses where they will be maimed and tortured before suffering the most painful deaths that the animal welfare movement has ever seen.

    But so far, the Government has only committed to stopping exports to 11 abattoirs in Indonesia. That's not nearly enough. There are over 100 slaughterhouses in Indonesia, and only 8 are equipped with the stun technology that is standard here in Australia.
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    That's the problem, Anne, the animals aren't being killed using stun or humane killer. Very few of the abattoirs are even equipped with humane killers (aka stun guns/ bolts). I, personally, am in favor of opposing export of live animals who will meet a painful, prolonged death in a manner I am unwillling to accept, given humane alternatives.

    That said, I, too, find the tone of the original post off putting and 'Evangelical' in nature.

    Dakota_Chey: we're all intelligent people here but you could halve the number of words you use, you could put your thoughts in simple sentences, 1 idea per paragraph and I am sure people would respond more favourably to the ideas. To be honest, reading your text is just too hard. Too long. To complicated.

    And, I'll be honest, too pushy for me.

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    thanks for recognising the gist of what I was trying to get across and perhaps I am overboard, this issue is evoking all kinds of reactions. For that, my apology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Sorry, but I find your reasoning somewhat offensive and flawed and I can't see this thread doing anythign but inciting hatred and spreading incorrect information.

    The animals are stunned before slaughter at any rate.

    I don't believe in your God either. Christians have committed more barbaric acts in the name of God than any other religion in my view.



    These animals are not slaughtered in the ways that we are familiar with. Halal is a process that involves torment and torture in the preparation of the meat.

    Stunned, a few- is not good enough for mine. Stunned and then tortured is even worse in my account. Date rape often involves drugs such as rohypnol, halcion etc-the rape still occurs or rape and torture. None of it is excusable, stunned or not.

    I am doing what I can to send forth the right information that is copied from the original sources that do not support this form of animal abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Sorry, but I find your reasoning somewhat offensive and flawed and I can't see this thread doing anythign but inciting hatred and spreading incorrect information.

    The animals are stunned before slaughter at any rate.

    I don't believe in your God either. Christians have committed more barbaric acts in the name of God than any other religion in my view.
    Well you are wrong about the stunning before slaughter Anne. Totally wrong and that aligns you with the OP in spreading incorrect information.

    I'd like to see your data as to your statement (admittedly "in [your] view") that Christians have been more barbaric that other religions.

    Had you said that the most barbaric acts are perpetrated in the name of religion [any religion], I would have agreed with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Chey View Post
    thanks for recognising the gist of what I was trying to get across and perhaps I am overboard, this issue is evoking all kinds of reactions. For that, my apology.
    Dakota_Chey: it IS an important issue. It IS easy to feel highly emotional about. And that's ok- we are all allowed to feel strongly.

    Just... If you want people to listen and support, you need to tailor the message to be persuasive (this was a topic for one of my theses- how to persuade people effectively). And that, in one, simple sentence is to:

    Avoid at all costs making it an effort for the receiver to receive the message.

    Good Luck

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    I am not referring to what happens in Indonesia. I am referring to what happens in Australia and the animals are stunned first.

    Had you said that the most barbaric acts are perpetrated in the name of religion [any religion], I would have agreed with you.
    I totally agree that this is worded far better and I agree with the statement as you have written it.

    Dakota, I find your posts impossible to read and to be honest, I am over the idea of trying to decipher what you mean. You might have great things to say, but you need to learn how to articulate clearly. Reading your posts does my head in in much the same ways as trying to decipher a 12months old baby's babble does as they scream and become hysterical because they're not being understood.

    My advice to you is to learn what the definition of halal is. Halal does not mean slaughter. Halal means that it is "lawful"

    The term you are looking for is dhabiha, which is the "method" of slaughter.

    To everyone reading this - unless you are a true vegan and only eat eggs that come from real free range hens, you support abusvie practices and torture of animals that are used for consumption in this country and so you are being nothing more than hypocritical by only being alarmed at dhabiha slaughtered meat.

    I am not a supporter of live trade either.

    What I find most offensive in the OP is the religious context that has been blandly copied. The work of Getup! is not offensive and if you were part of my 'circle' of friends and acquaintances then you would have been sent emails and messages from me urging you to sign the petition against live trade over the last day or 2.
    Last edited by Anne; 06-02-2011 at 08:54 AM.
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    Wow. Just wow.

    I am all for banning live export - But seriously you don't have to be so extremist about it. As Anne said - Getup! is not offensive. Take a leaf from their book.

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