View Poll Results: Would you actively participate by way of petition to pledge your rights?

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Thread: HALAL- Blood on Our Hands

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    They can't get their cattle from elsewhere because of TB and foot in mouth disease risks.

    I do think that we need to supervise the cattle from Oz to whereever, and stand over them to ensure the humane slaughter practices.

    I know someone who used to load dairy cattle for shipment to China. And she used to cry. Because she knew they weren't going to a happy life. So it's not just indonesia.

    And every time you eat Grain Fed beef - you should be thinking about cattle standing up to their knees in their own ****, with zero time out in grassy paddocks.

    We've got a long way to go when it comes to our food industry practices with animals.

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    As this has been a very lucrative initiative for the Australian Government, hence is the resistance of the said government. There is nothing that is not offensive about the this whole enterprise. Thousands have come to the same conclusion, very quickly.
    Stunted or no media follow up during these past days. Everything about the issue is contaminated with political slight of hand. I have one major question that I have not as yet seen raised, yet I am sure people are on the same wavelength.
    It occured to me yesterday that halal meat is not as a standard killed by torment and torture. Therefore, in my reckoning, I figure that it is haram. That bought me to the conclusion that once the finished product goes out to Indonesia or wherever, how is it labelled? I would imagine within keeping of Islam-it would hardly be a saleable item if the packaging were stamped 'haram.
    Interesting, slight of hand once again. Could it be that those that have ingested tortured meat which already contains toxins as the physiological side of adrenaline and other hormones of the endocrine system struggle to combat the terror and fear felt by these creatures-has been sold as halal? If this is the case, then I guess the saying, 'you are what you eat' may be applicable. If I had been betrayed this way and the I ate the product that I had trusted to be 'lawful by way of Islam, I would be detoxing and praying for a long time.
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    It took 2 people to carry the petition against live exports into the Agriculture Minister's office yesterday. So far, it's over 3,000 (recycled) pages, representing an incredible 200,000 names.

    But still, the Government has failed to stop more Australian cattle boarding boats to Indonesia. In fact 3 more boats of cattle have already left this week, and more are preparing to load in the coming week. The animals on those boats are bound for Indonesian slaughterhouses where they will suffer the worst mistreatment the animal welfare movement has ever seen.

    We must act quickly. Let's step our campaign up and target politicians where it matters: their voters.

    That's why today, we're working with RSPCA and Animals Australia to launch a hard hitting new TV ad calling on Julia Gillard to stop this cruel practice. Click below to check out the ad and chip in to put it on air:

    http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/an...put-this-on-tv

    The Government thinks this problem (ie. all of us) will go away. They figure that if they ride out this first week of public outrage, by next week we'll all forget the graphic footage we saw, and relent on our pressure.

    But they didn't count on this: a huge national advertising campaign that shows voters exactly what the Government is failing to prevent. A campaign that increases public outrage every time it airs.

    http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/an...put-this-on-tv

    Imagine the scene in the Minister's office when, just one day after receiving our huge 200,000 strong petition, he sees this TV ad during the news!

    None of us alone could run a national advertising campaign - but if thousands of us chip in what we can, together we make a force to be reckoned with. Our media buyers have already pencilled in the first advertising spots: starting tomorrow on Sky News, during the French Open tennis and prime-time Saturday night movies. Can you chip in so we can give them the go ahead to lock in those spots and then keep this ad running across the country?

    265733$ Raised Already!
    Dear Jennifer,

    Thank you for your generous contribution to GetUp! Please find the confirmation of your recent donation below.
    Last edited by Dakota_Chey; 06-04-2011 at 08:30 AM. Reason: grammatical
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    Ok as i said earlier i do not condone what was done to any of the cattle fullstop.
    To shut down an industry like this cant just happen over night and you would be stupid/selfish to believe it can be done. What about the families that rely on this industry to make a living??? Are you going to hold them responsible and put them on the street for this disgrace???
    Rather than trying to shut the industry down our government should be applying pressure to thier government to push for a stricter more humane treatment of the cattle, then its a win win situation (unless of course your a cow) but hey thats life. I eat meat and i accept where it comes from.
    Animal cruelty is everywhere and we should do our best to stamp it out but quick knee jerk reactions like shutting down industries without offering alternatives such as education etc.. is just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Chey View Post


    These animals are not slaughtered in the ways that we are familiar with. Halal is a process that involves torment and torture in the preparation of the meat.

    Stunned, a few- is not good enough for mine. Stunned and then tortured is even worse in my account. Date rape often involves drugs such as rohypnol, halcion etc-the rape still occurs or rape and torture. None of it is excusable, stunned or not.

    I am doing what I can to send forth the right information that is copied from the original sources that do not support this form of animal abuse.

    The Halal method does not involve torture.....It is the people at the particular killing houses in Indonesia who have no time for animals that cause the torture. Many abattoirs in Australia kill as per Halal method. It in itself can also be humane. All meat should leave our shores processed.......
    You only have to visit some of the Asian countries, of which I did lots, to see how they treat animals in general. most have no time for animals and are downright cruel. From dogs, cattle, fowl and even their horses and donkeys used for transport.
    I just don't believe in life transport, especially overseas.
    BUT..........We should not be to quick to judge overseas, because there is plenty of cruelty going in our own local animal transport. You only have to watch them loading some of the horses, cattle and sheep at any yard. Some people are just B.....s to animals.
    I am a rural person, we also deal with stock, but there are ways to do things. there is no need for cruelty or torture.
    I am not a vegetarian and I love my meat. The most amazing thing is that meat that comes from animals that have been ethically raised and dealt with is so much better and of such greater value.
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    Had this in my email yesterday (we are beef producers)

    A note from the Chairman

    I would like to apologise to our members, and to the broader livestock industry, for the hurt and anger caused by the footage shown to the Australian public this week, of horrendous acts of cruelty to our cattle in Indonesia.

    There is not a person in this country who has seen this footage who was not sickened by it.

    No section of our community was more distressed than those of us whose life’s work is the caring and raising of livestock.

    I have been to abattoirs in Indonesia and have never seen such barbaric acts. Actions so depraved they defy any rationale and are totally indefensible.

    What was shown is neither cultural nor religious – just cruel.

    A decade’s worth of industry and government representatives, plus independent animal welfare experts have not seen such cruelty – or something would have been done.

    I can assure you that if this disgusting cruelty had been witnessed by any Australian industry representatives, it would immediately have triggered action to bring it to a halt.

    On seeing the footage, industry immediately moved to suspend supply of Australian cattle to the facilities identified.

    MLA is now working intensely with all sectors of the industry to see that additional measures are implemented, such as:

    Asking the Australian Government to regulate that Australian cattle only be exported to accredited controlled supply chains in Indonesia where we can assure our cattle are handled in line with OIE (World Organisation for Animal Health) standards;
    Working with the Indonesian Government and customers to rapidly increase the acceptance and use of stunning in this market; and
    Significantly increasing the team of animal welfare officers working on behalf of our industry to ensure the equipment installed is used properly, every time.

    MLA’s inability to legislate positive animal welfare protections in our overseas livestock export markets, or control commercial supply chains in these countries, leaves us with only training and infrastructure tools to influence change.

    There are over 700 abattoirs in Indonesia. We have been working in 100 of these where the majority of Australian cattle go. This issue has made it clear that we must only allow our cattle to reach those facilities where we can be absolutely confident they will be handled in line with internationally accepted welfare practices.

    To date the internal commercial system has not allowed this, however all parties involved in this trade are absolutely committed to change.

    Indonesia is a complex and difficult market environment. Changing hundreds of years of practices and culture through training and infrastructure is not an easy task. Four Corners has shown we have not made sufficient progress over the last 10 years in the market and as a result have not met our stakeholder expectations.

    You, as investors in these programs through your levies, deserve to have confidence that MLA is delivering on industry’s clear directive to improve the welfare of our animals in export markets.

    Given this, the MLA Board will instigate an immediate review of all industry-funded international animal welfare programs in all markets to provide members with an honest and frank assessment of the return on their investment.

    I understand the anger and frustration members are feeling. All I can do is assure you that we are doing everything in our power to find a solution to this problem and implement it as soon as we possibly can.

    MLA remains fully committed to providing services to industry across all of our activities in research, development and extension as well as domestic and international marketing while these solutions are being implemented.

    Unfortunately I have been unable to personally respond to the hundreds of emails and phone calls I have received on this issue. However I will be able to provide you with details of a pathway forward for Indonesia and the review of our animal welfare programs within the next few days.

    Both must deliver the animal welfare outcomes our producers and the community expects.

    Yours sincerely

    Don Heatley
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Part of the reason reason that I ask is you seem to have minimal grasp of English grammar. So my question relates to how long you have been speaking/writing in the English language.

    The other part of the reason I ask is you frequently take statements from other members completely out of context. It is difficult to understand what you are writing and it is even more difficult, even when stating opinions in their simplest form for you to understand what is meant.

    Again, I meant no offence, but is English your first language? In other words do you come from a non-english speaking family/background.



    I needed that laugh - but I was referring more to the constant stream of misunderstandings that have surrounded every post that has been made by the OP.
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/say...-no-to-labour/ 340 signatures thus far (my idea!)-I get out of the box, helps my tunnel vision!340 signatures and then you

    Access online: OIE - World Organisation for Animal Health
    Of course they knew Jennifer as did the Howard Government......it's been a week now and still she hasn't come forth condemning this abhorrant act of cruelty....she just doesn't care...my philosophy on life is "if you inflict cruelty on an animal..you will inflict it on anyone" and this is exactly what's she doing...
    Tuesday at 11:11am · LikeUnlike · 2 people2 people like this. TOO RIGHT! Two major parties of this country we can no longer pride ourselves in- I am aghast at the arrogance of our leader. I feel dreadful typing the words, our leader'. Whether it be her or any other that have had a hand in this slight ...of hand' Trick-I SAY NO TO EACH AND ALL WHO CONDONE THIS! My vote and your vote (our votes) are collectively the power that can bring this revolt to an end. I am defiant, yes-that is what our leader (sick again) is teaching US! We, now share in the torture of our beloved cattle. Their blood shed we can honour, their blood shed, our leader supports!
    So true Jennifer, Gillard has not said one thing regarding this issue. The Government would have had to known what was going on, but turned a blind eye. This leader, does not listen to the Public on any matter, so I guess we cannot expect her to worry about what we think about cows. Australia makes money off the horrific slaughter of these gentle animals, they should be ashamed of themselves.
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    Originally Posted by AngelanBatty
    Part of the reason reason that I ask is you seem to have minimal grasp of English grammar. So my question relates to how long you have been speaking/writing in the English language.

    The other part of the reason I ask is you frequently take statements from other members completely out of context. It is difficult to understand what you are writing and it is even more difficult, even when stating opinions in their simplest form for you to understand what is meant.

    Again, I meant no offence, but is English your first language? In other words do you come from a non-english speaking family/background.



    I needed that laugh - but I was referring more to the constant stream of misunderstandings that have surrounded every post that has been made by the OP.]
    Dear Jennifer
    Last week we asked you for help to get justice for Bill, a beautiful Australian steer that met a terrifying and gruesome end in an Indonesian slaughterhouse after being supplied to that country by our live export industry. Last night - with your help, justice was done.
    The Prime Minister has answered the calls of hundreds of thousands of Australians and suspended all cattle exports to Indonesia.
    Today, the Prime Minister has heard the voices of Bill, Brian, Arthur, Dudley, Tommy and the 6.4 million animals sent to Indonesia before them.
    Following an unprecedented outcry by the Australian community, the Government has been forced to act following revelations of terrible cruelty to Australian cattle in slaughterhouses in Indonesia shown on ABC’s Four Corners. Over the past week, more than 100,000 people have written to the Prime Minister, 320,000 have signed a petition to halt the trade to Indonesia and tens of thousands of others have contacted their local members of Parliament and Senators and spoken out on social media and traditional media. It is already being described as a "win for people power".
    The real win is for Australian cattle, that because of the support of the community and the media, will no longer face a cruel and brutal death in Indonesian slaughterhouses.
    The collaboration of RSPCA Australia with Animals Australia, with support from GetUp! and their members, together with a growing group of politicians who spoke up against this cruelty has delivered this great result.
    While we all certainly need to celebrate this success, our work is not done.
    We will be looking closely at the terms of this suspension and work to close any loopholes. And we can't forget that over 3 million sheep and around 135,000 cattle will go to the Middle East this year and most will also face inhumane handling and slaughter.
    We will need the help of the community again to ensure the Gillard Government hears their voice and ends the live export trade once and for all.
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    Something I hadn't thought about, how much money would the government and/or farmers get from live-exportation?

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    I think you can look up the price of a beef on the commodoties market but $500 per animal would be a starting price. Government might get 35% of that in tax maybe less because of costs. I don't know how you'd figure out if it's more profitable to ship processed beef or not - because the labour costs would add something ie cheaper to butcher in Indonesia. But that probably would not apply to Europe or USA.

    Actually not sure we get to sell beef in USA, it was one of the things excluded. We probably do ship to China but I don't know if that's live or butchered.

    The cost of a fridge ship would be about the same as the cost of a live ship I imagine. Ie on the live ship you need engines to run fans to manage air quality and temperature for the beasts. And you need a lot of people to look after them and feed them.

    http://www.mla.com.au/Home

    Lot of info there. Also a lot of info missing ie the stuff they don't want you to know. Seems a lot of our beef goes to Russia.
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    I really would have liked to get into this thread.

    However, I have a short attention span and the first post was far too long.

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