View Poll Results: Would you actively participate by way of petition to pledge your rights?

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Thread: HALAL- Blood on Our Hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Chey View Post
    This is not about English. The thread was clear in what was being defended. As per below [third comment in thread] another immediately understood. In that, yourself included.
    Part of the reason reason that I ask is you seem to have minimal grasp of English grammar. So my question relates to how long you have been speaking/writing in the English language.

    The other part of the reason I ask is you frequently take statements from other members completely out of context. It is difficult to understand what you are writing and it is even more difficult, even when stating opinions in their simplest form for you to understand what is meant.

    Again, I meant no offence, but is English your first language? In other words do you come from a non-english speaking family/background.

    Quote Originally Posted by Florence View Post
    There are people on this forum and others whose first language is English and who don't make sense
    I needed that laugh - but I was referring more to the constant stream of misunderstandings that have surrounded every post that has been made by the OP.
    Last edited by AngelanBatty; 06-02-2011 at 07:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    DC, YOU are the OP...original poster.

    Iggy button seems like a good idea.
    I was referring to the original post that proposed people that eat meat support this abuse- Not my post!

    Please refrain from sending menacing private messages suggesting I am drunk or stoned. It is slander. Be very sure of your facts. Use your ignore button as stated.

    You had nothing to say that had not already been put forward with regard to the movement. Your update was what was known yesterday. Check it out in my OP. Contribute to the thread as you wish, without slanging mud at me.

    Drunk or stoned?

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    What on earth are you on with all those stupid posts?
    Any sane person can see that Hyacinth was replying to the original poster about closing doors etc if they get a puppy, not criticising YOU.

    Allow people to answer for themselves and don't be so juvenile. Growing old disgracefully is not my motto.
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    Hmmmmm, thinking troll, here.

    Isn't it an infraction to post private Pm's on the public forum too?

    Oh, and Hya did answer for herself proving she was not replying to your post.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Dakota_chey, you reported that private message and I dealt with it. The reason the report function is there, is so you don't air your dirty laundry on the forums.
    If you don't trust the moderators of the forums to take your reports seriously, then I suggest you stop entering into debates on the forums that make you a target of ridicule.

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    Most people who have english as a second language and post on English language forums might murder the spelling and grammar, but they still make sense to me. The exception would be the spammers, but even then - it's clear they're "selling" something.

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    [QUOTE=puggerup;125720]Dakota_chey, you reported that private message and I dealt with it. The reason the report function is there, is so you don't air your dirty laundry on the forums.
    If you don't trust the moderators of the forums to take your reports seriously, then I suggest you stop entering into debates on the forums that make you a target of ridicule.

    In that case, if you dealt with it- or had previously, why have you allowed those most consistently noted, to keep perpetuating the same acts. You give no follow up, as one would expect when making a complaint. How am I to know that you had dealt with it, when the individual/s is/are still sending insults my way. As I said, I will continue to defend myself when insults are thrown at me.

    You don't mind airing dirty laundry (in the forum). Not professional conduct for a mod. You could have sent me a private message.
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    I defended the notion that nothing was done. I responded on the forum where it was insinuated that insulting private messages are allowed.

    I can assure you that every report is looked at and taken seriously and acted upon if the offending post breaches guidelines.
    I am not obliged to contact every person who sends a report in, to tell them of the outcome.
    If you would like to know of the outcome you are welcome to send a message asking.

    As far as continuing to send insults your way, there is a report function on the side of each and every post, yet you have not used it. The only thing you reported was the private message and that I have dealt with.

    As far as questioning my conduct/professionalism as a moderator, you are starting to sink without a paddle. I am here to help every member as best as I can, but to be questioned on how well I do it, is rather insulting, especially as I volunteer my duty out of the kindness of my heart

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    Look no doubt what was in the video was tasteless and barbaric to say the least, that said ive seen worst done in our own country to many different types of animals, and thats not saying any of it was right.
    The reaction to this video has had the exact response as what those filming it had hoped for.
    How long did they have to wait to get those bits of footage??
    Blaming halal is not the answer either, im sure no practising musilm would want to see animals treated this way.
    The fact the cattle come from Australia is irrelevant if they dont buy from us they buy from someone else,the cattle will still get tortured, what have you achieved, NOTHING, but a warm fuzzy feeling that it wasnt an aussie cow.
    What we should be doing is trying to educate them in the better treatment of animals.
    Last edited by peter70; 06-03-2011 at 01:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Look no doubt what was in the video was tasteless and barbaric to say the least, that said ive seen worst done in our own country to many different types of animals, and thats not saying any of it was right.
    The reaction to this video has had the exact response as what those filming it had hoped for.
    How long did they have to wait to get those bits of footage??
    Blaming halal is not the answer either, im sure no practising musilm would want to see animals treated this way.
    The fact the cattle come from Australia is irrelevant if they dont buy from us they buy from someone else,the cattle will still get tortured, what have you achieved, NOTHING, but a warm fuzzy feeling that it wasnt an aussie cow.
    What we should be doing is trying to educate them in the better treatment of animals.
    With due respect, you are correct with regard to the responses held after the release of the footage. The footage has been concealed for too long and it's release has had the impact desired.

    There are animals treated very cruelly within Australia, that is clear. Once footage released by the media expose cruel acts, most get up in arms, yet most of the cruelest acts are happening-disclosed from us right under our nose.

    Halal or correctly speaking-meat prepared with halal in mind, can be produced within 'the law-of Islam'. On that note, I am sure there are a great majority that adhere to 'the law' and would not step outside of it. The footage we have been exposed to is showing the opposite, Haram (not permitted, not according to Zabihah).

    A previous post I defended was that this footage does not reflect Zabihah, (although I refrained from using correct terms- for my own self preservation amongst antagonists). In saying that-however, does not mean that raising the issue should subject one to accusations with regard to discriminating against Islam or the practices. I, used the analogy that because their are some extremists that have become terrorists, not all that follow Islam are terrorists. Their are radicals in all faiths and practices, of those individuals the nature or true practices of their following, is not reflected as in this case.

    You have hit the nail on the head as far as the cattle may not necessarily come from here. The torment and suffering the cattle endure over long periods is the torture. That is plain sadistic, no two ways about it. The twisted hands and minds of the torturers may not be able to be educated.

    Our morals, would surely prevent any one of us acting out in that way. The perpetrators of this high level of abuse, know right from wrong. Okay, so do the job and comply with national standards concerning animals on a global level. The whole transaction is a very lucrative deal for our government, so they should have some directives over their investment at least from our end. Money may be scarce for these slaughtermen, or not but they need to refrain from the torture, surely. None of it, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, whether Australian cattle or not. Yes, no doubt it will still occur, but to spare even one of these passive creatures is a victory.

    With regard to the media, they have opened a can of worms, yet last nights news broadcasts all over (to my knowledge) reported no further updates with regard to the meeting yesterday afternoon with Agriculture Minister, Joe Ludwig addressing this outcry. Shut down. Will check it out this morning and try to establish if indeed the ships loaded to depart, actually did or not.
    Ho'neene'šeohtseva'e

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    Just so everone know HARAM in english terms means that its not right, horrible etc. And just so every one knows I am married to a lebanese man, have been for five years, I have an extended family of over 200 as you can imagine, they are christian orthadox not muslim however the use of their language in this forum as if one knows what they are talking about ( simply by reseaching in on the net) is just stupid. This is not a religion or nationality doing this. This is a bunch of individuals who have no morals, no heart and no BRAIN. As stated before there are also individuals of this sort in our own country that are going under the radar.
    I think everyone has gone way to far in this thread.
    POINT IS- if you agree that this has gone too far overseas, sign the petetion. If not keep it to yourself and let those who do sign it.

    End of story. I dont believe all of you arguing your point in this forum is going to change ANYTHING.

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