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    Didn't really know where to post this so I didn't a double sorry.

    But I am so glad I found this site, we are currently waiting for our boxer who will be what I think is the term a placement, she is just under two years old, we are getting her from a breeder who wishes to continue to breed from her after we have purchased her and bought her home apparently this will occur 12 months after she is home with us.

    As this is all new to me and I like to be very organised and know what I am getting myself into I was hoping to receive some advise or speak to anyone who has done something similar.

    We have three children who already adore her and are overly excited about bringing her home, it just dawned on me that she will be taken away from us in 12 months time for up to two months or more to have pups with the breeder, these will not be our pups they will stay with the breeder and our dog will return home.

    I was wondering just how long this should take ie: how long should she be away can we limit the time?

    Also what would be a reasonable price for us to pay to purchase her initially considering she is nearly 2 years of age, pure breed and we cant de-sex her until after she has another litter in 12 months?

    She has just had a litter as well, so at present we are waiting for her to be able to ween the pups, not sure how long exactly this will take either.

    Any advise would be greatly appreciated I really want to do the right thing for our children and would hate for them to be devistated in 12 months when she is gone for so long..

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    Hi,

    I am not a fan of 'sharing' breeding dogs. To be fair though, I have never done it. I have read countless times on forums however, the trouble that people find themselves in with these arrangments.

    My advice - MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A WATER TIGHT WRITTEN AGREEMENT.

    Ensure that the agreement states CLEARLY in PLAIN ENGLISH what is expected of both parties. In should detail how many litters, how often, time frame, who is responsible for what, where the dog will live while being mated and when whelping, who will cover Vet care in an emergency or otherwise and anything else that needs to be clarified.

    It should also clearly state who is legally responsible for the dog and from when to when. ie. The dog, while in your posession, runs acorss the road in front of a car and the car swerves causing it to crash.. which kills a passenger. Are you liable as the carer of the dog or the owner?

    Most disagreements I have seen have resulted through no-one really being clear on certain points or people re-nigging and changing their mind. For example, I have heard of one 'carer' who took off and the dog was never seen again. Another I have heard was the breeder taking the dog for mating and whelping and then refusing to give it back.

    There are breeders who sell adult dogs outright, and these are sometimes desexed. You could also try Boxer Rescue.
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    Not sure where you are located, but these may be of interest;

    Dogz Online - The Pure Breed Dog Community of Australia

    Boxer Dogs for Sale from Registered Breeders at Dogz Online

    The first link are Boxers in rescue, the second are adult Boxers being sold by breeders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammosboxer View Post
    Didn't really know where to post this so I didn't a double sorry.

    But I am so glad I found this site, we are currently waiting for our boxer who will be what I think is the term a placement, she is just under two years old, we are getting her from a breeder who wishes to continue to breed from her after we have purchased her and bought her home apparently this will occur 12 months after she is home with us.

    As this is all new to me and I like to be very organised and know what I am getting myself into I was hoping to receive some advise or speak to anyone who has done something similar.

    We have three children who already adore her and are overly excited about bringing her home, it just dawned on me that she will be taken away from us in 12 months time for up to two months or more to have pups with the breeder, these will not be our pups they will stay with the breeder and our dog will return home.

    I was wondering just how long this should take ie: how long should she be away can we limit the time?

    Also what would be a reasonable price for us to pay to purchase her initially considering she is nearly 2 years of age, pure breed and we cant de-sex her until after she has another litter in 12 months?

    She has just had a litter as well, so at present we are waiting for her to be able to ween the pups, not sure how long exactly this will take either.

    Any advise would be greatly appreciated I really want to do the right thing for our children and would hate for them to be devistated in 12 months when she is gone for so long..
    Here is an example of a placement agreement from a reputable breeder. Kapital German shepherds - Queensland Australia There are provisions in the clauses that the breeder has made to ensure the very best for their litters placement and longterm care.

    If I were in your shoes, I would first ask to look at the contract between yourself the buyer and the breeder, that is being proposed in writing before making my decision. It is not unusual to place dams, but there is usually a clause that states the purchaser needs to desex the dog within a certain period or the contract is null and void, consequently return of dam to breeder would occur through this provision not being met.

    The boxer of your enquiry has already been bred under the age of two with another plan to breed on the way. I am hesistant, hearing that and would be careful in this situation. I don't believe a reputable breeder would give their dam up so early-yet keep a foot in the door by keeping rights to her progeny (puppies).
    Also, you are looking around 60 days for the gestation period ( during that time where she will be cared for by the breeder). The birthing comes after that and can result in a lottery of problems that cannot be forecast. Thirdly, there is additional requirements of the feeding to weaning period, so you are more likely looking at her away for up to 120 days (4 months). During that time, hoping all is good and not wanting to throw up any negatives, I, personally speaking would not like that (in limbo feeling-about the dog I and my family have taken the time to bond with, not to mention-the dogs feelings-or sense of 'where do I, belong-who are my pack, who is my leader, etc- in all of this).

    I don't know your reasons for selecting an adult boxer, however a good selection for those that want to avoid the puppy stage, being the very high energy dogs that they are. I would be hesistant, with this dilemna from an ethical standpoint with focus on the dog. You have attached to the dog thus far-but there are many rescue boxers of that age and below, through other means. There are also many breeders placing their dams with the only clause being the desexing and careplan. The final thing I would be thinking about- is also (how will she be changed, if at all physically and emotionally through this whole process including another birth)? I feel like you are being used as a halfway home, sorry-I don't agree with the breeders terms. I think, they are exploiting their dam. best of luck, regardless of your decision. Praise for your affection toward the dog. As for cost- dependent really. Some things to throw around and depending if you want to show her, agility, companion etc. If she is of champion stock and has been placed herself and you are wanting to show her the stakes I guess are raised. On the hand, if she is simply for a companion animal- I would not being pay much more over even $300, if at all. There are so many other options out there which makes pricing so difficult a thing to estimate in this case.
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    Older purebred dogs are cheaper than puppies. Make sure you are getting a very discounted price from what the breeder charges for puppies.

    I'd be curious about why if the breeder still wants to breed from her they would send her away. But that is just me.

    Like everyone else has said make a good contract otherwise you will have problems down the track.

    All the best with your new pup!

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    thanks for the responses, allot to think about,

    I think that the breeder is placing her because she was a show puppy apparently something with her mouth/jaw?? so they are no longer showing her and decided not to keep her. I suppose she is not really a pet to them and they have many other show dogs.

    She is gorgeous and they did indicate that they wanted a litter and probably a second litter only, we are discussing at the moment the terms of the contract and price I don't believe is negotiable.

    We initially looked at a puppy with this breeder but due to our 5 yr olds reaction and being a little funny around any dog that is not really sitting still we discussed the option of an older dog which is a little calmer. initially i was concerned about an older dog and the history of its up bringing and if it would affect its behaviour now so thats when this arrangement was discussed

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    I know someone who has a standard poodle that occasionally goes back to the breeder for making puppies. I think she goes for mating. Then to test for pregnancy, and then for about 12 weeks - just before the puppies are born and for as long as it takes to wean them. So the dog would be away for 12 weeks and a couple of days. For owner it's not a big deal. She gets on well with the breeder.

    You do want to pay attention to what Anne said.

    How many litters does the breeder want to try for, and at what age will she quit ie the dog be too old. Boxers that live to 9 yo are doing quite well - they're not as long lived as some other breeds, but the bitch should stop having puppies well before that. You can look on the RSPCA site for recommendations about this kind of thing or ask a vet.

    And does the bitch have ANKC papers - will you be getting your own set so you can show if you want to. A bitch that does not have ANKC papers - probably should not be having puppies, ie it's possibly not in the best interests of the breed.

    Also if you decide to show, and you meet a nice male boxer and owner, and do all the right heath tests - do you have to consult with the original breeder before possible mating? Would probably be a good idea - just to make sure that you're not breeding back into the same line etc, if you have the papers available for both dogs, you should be able to check that too.

    So it can be great as long as the breeder is not overdoing it and your children can cope with a 3 month absence every couple of years maybe. Ideal time for you to take holidays if you can organise it.

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    If she is from a large kennel how do you know she has been socialised enough to fit in well in a home? some dogs do but others do not, just meeting her at their place has possibly answered this for you, but personally I would not do it unless you get the bitch for free, what they want is you to babysit their breeder and pay all expenses and have the hide to charge on top.

    Dogs can die whelping what then? unless you get a written agreement on replacement if this happens and about who pays vet costs, you are better to get your own dog free and clear.

    I have not long GIVEN a dog away to be used as a stud by us when we want to, and that will be seldom, I would never expect his new owner, and he is now in her name, all I ask is she be a member of Dogs QLD so we can register his puppies, but never would I ask her to send him out to us, our bitches will be taken to him.
    We paid for all his health tests, she will pay any general vets costs because he is her dog, this way it works, I would not have the hide to ask her to pay on top for this boy.

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    Im so appreciative of all of your advise I was just wondering after a dog has a litter do they need to be vet checked to make sure they are okay?

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    Ideally the vet is involved in genetic testing for compatibility with the parents, and for the pregnancy test, and pre and post birth checks including the puppies. A responsible breeder spends a lot of money with a good vet.

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