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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle89 View Post
    I think a lot of unregistered puppies come from classified sites - they need to have and govern a policy that makes people unable to sell animals without a microchip. I think that would assist the problem. That means unofficial breeders would have to do the right thing or be restricted in their advertising (which essentially would limit distribution).
    In QLD the legislation hasn't come in yet Crested.

    Michelle QLD has bought in laws that mean (when they come into effect) no one will be able to advertise unless they have a breeder number. That means no advertising on Gumtree, Trading Post, classifieds etc it will be enforced. That doesn't stop them from advertising on their facebook page or doing up flyers and dropping them off. Mind you the cost of the breeder number app is only around $400 for 3 years or something. It will in no way stop people from BYBing (or stop BYBers from getting a number). We need laws that makes BYBing illegal not just advertising BYB litters.

    ETA - Here is a link to the laws on the GC http://www.awlqld.com.au/making-change.html

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    Looking at the Renbury site you are quite correct - Now for negotiating with my OH :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Michelle QLD has bought in laws that mean (when they come into effect) no one will be able to advertise unless they have a breeder number. That means no advertising on Gumtree, Trading Post, classifieds etc it will be enforced. That doesn't stop them from advertising on their facebook page or doing up flyers and dropping them off. Mind you the cost of the breeder number app is only around $400 for 3 years or something. It will in no way stop people from BYBing (or stop BYBers from getting a number). We need laws that makes BYBing illegal not just advertising BYB litters.
    Well even if they make Facebook pages and Flyers they don't get the same "reach" to use an advertising term. It still slows people right down and makes it much harder to sell dogs. I mean with flyers - how many people even look at flyers these days? I think it is a good start. But I do agree with you - BYB need to be outlawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle89 View Post
    Well even if they make Facebook pages and Flyers they don't get the same "reach" to use an advertising term. It still slows people right down and makes it much harder to sell dogs. I mean with flyers - how many people even look at flyers these days? I think it is a good start. But I do agree with you - BYB need to be outlawed.
    Actually just reading through the one about the GC doesn't look like they will stop people from advertising just that they have to put their breeder number up if they have one. So people I am sure will still make the decision to buy from people without a breeder number. So essentially this is doing nothing. Useless legislation.

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    I disagree - it isn't useless legislation when it includes this:

    Most importantly, any Gold Coast resident who breeds a litter of kittens will now be required to desex these kittens prior to sale or transfer.

    Provided that is upheld that legislation is a great step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I would like to see data that specifically tracks dogs that go out from pounds undesexed and tracks if any puppies result or if they end up back at the pound. Tracking intake for pounds - doesn't seem to work since they sometimes take more dogs from elsewhere.
    Yes please!!

    I too would love to actually see some tracking done. I would also like for them to keep figures for the originating source of all animals in pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I don't think there is any one thing that will greatly have an impact.

    Microchipping certainly will help, but it doesn't stop people dumping dogs, only reuniting lost animals with their owners.
    But if the system was extended, upgraded and made uniform nationally and with more resources put into it, we might be able to reduce the numbers of unclaimed dogs.

    Let's face it, how many dogs do you personally know that have been sold not chipped. I know of hundreds and hundreds! It is law in NSW and has been fro manyyears but no-one follows up on it. We even have a member here who very recently admitted to selling her dog unchipped!

    Having a license to own a dog... what would that entail exactly?
    I don't walk my dogs every day, I have a very small yard, I have never taken them to obedience school... I doubt I would get a license based on my situation... yet my dogs are taken care of and happy.
    The ones that don't get walked, don't like being walked, I have small dogs so I really don't need a big yard (they spend the majority of their time inside by choice), and I train my dogs myself and have never needed classes.
    Yes, agree. How would it be policed, processed and what would be the requirements.

    Stamping out BYB's is something Queensland is trying to do with introducing their breeder registration numbers.
    I am not sure if it has started yet but all puppies being sold in Queensland cannot be advertised without a breeders registration number.
    If nothing else it will make people think twice about having "just one litter"... but they aren't the ones that concern me too much, it's the repeat offenders who will no doubt have no problem with getting a number.
    Who issues the registration numbers?
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    I don't think the licence for owing a dog should be all that hard to get, just a paper test (although a home inspection would be nice), that shows a person knows how to do basic puppy training and care.

    It would be just one extra step in the process to get a puppy ie make impulse buying a bit harder. I also like the 24 hour delay at the petshop too - although I'd rather pet shops didn't have the actual puppies - maybe just video of them with their mother and litter mates.

    What would be good about the licence would be that a person could be banned from owning a dog if they don't look after the dog properly (based on standard of care used by RSPCA to remove animals - or they repeatedly allow the animal to escape etc).

    I don't think someone who doesn't walk the dog every day would automatically qualify for licence cancelling and pet removal. Even I don't walk my dog every day but she does have access to a big yard. Most days I walk her twice a day for about an hour each time but I'm a bit of a wuss if it's raining all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    But if the system was extended, upgraded and made uniform nationally and with more resources put into it, we might be able to reduce the numbers of unclaimed dogs.

    Let's face it, how many dogs do you personally know that have been sold not chipped. I know of hundreds and hundreds! It is law in NSW and has been fro manyyears but no-one follows up on it. We even have a member here who very recently admitted to selling her dog unchipped!



    Yes, agree. How would it be policed, processed and what would be the requirements.



    Who issues the registration numbers?
    For the legislation coming into place in QLD looks like local councils will issue breeder permits.

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    Licensing would be hard to govern. Even a paper test could get complicated. Even things down to when you should vaccinate are varied (some people titre test others go annually). Maybe some sort of training when buying a puppy – how to avoid obesity, how to understand dog behaviour, what does my dog need (shelter ect), how to avoid a bored dog. But that is very subjective too.

    Maybe having to apply for a permit? That way people could get banned from owning dogs at the very least.

    Tricky subject really.

    Rescue groups are doing good work with unwanted dogs – often a foster home gives a dog just that much more time to find their forever home.

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