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Thread: How Far Should an Offleash Dog or Dogs Go Before Our Leashed Dogs Should React?

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    Thumbs up How Far Should an Offleash Dog or Dogs Go Before Our Leashed Dogs Should React?

    In reference to my posts and vent, please see threads. it has occurred to me that there is some contrast in thoughts with regard to the behaviour our leashed dogs should or should not be entitled to display. I stand behind the viewpoint- that no leashed dog should be under total control when in a compromising situation. Where does the onus lay? I would have assumed the onus of control, reside with the unleashed, free to cause havoc at times being offleash dogs, to the off leash dog owner. In saying so, there is no objection from me regarding those who enjoy the offleash all together doggy/human experience that many offleash doggie parks make provision for- where one makes the decision to be consciously part of.

    It appears there are some very differing viewpoints concerning this debate. I am of the view that leashed dogs under our control, should not be bombproof. I, for one would never expect, nor ever have prided myself with the false sense of confidence that, regardless of training regimes and prompt responses to commands-that my dogs are not infalliable and are indeed liable to error. Many a story has demonstrated the bond between man and dog where dogs have broken command to defend themselves and their people. Young boy mauled by Rottweiler | Fraser Coast News | Local News in Fraser Coast | Fraser Coast Chronicle This story very close to our hearts reinforces my stand. Where is the line drawn and be it that a dog breaks command, should we be rigid, inflexible in the right to retain our dominion over our loyal friends, or perhaps adopt the concept that we as individuals with all of our faults and error, expect the opposite in our devoted dogs. Interesting, I feel and even police dogs are not exempt from breaking command on occasion, however usually for a better outcome. I support the trust relationship between our friends and ourselves and in saying so, acknowledge readily that all good relationships should be built on trust.

    The bond between man and dog goes back a long way and I feel that we are the ones that can learn and continue to learn about our dogs and about ourselves through our dogs. This link is one of the most touching stories I have ever read, reflecting the wonder of animals from the Christchurch Earthquake N.Zealand. Alis Volat Propriis: A happy story from the NZ earthquake
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    I think you make some interesting points.
    I live in Victoria. I had a very large rottie. One day, a older man, was drunk, staggering towards us, and made a lunge to stroke my magnificent dog. And yes, just as you said, the dog broke from my control to defend me, he jumped at the man, and took him to the floor. Immediately released on my command.
    I thought the man was going to hit me. So did my dog.
    But he wasnt, he was just pissed and unco-ordinated.
    The man reported the incident to the police.
    Now then, as fluffy as we'd like to discuss who is the onus on, the law does not have such subjective opionions. My dog was put on the dangerous dog register. Was never allowed off lead again.
    Therefore, i state the onus of control is on the owner of the dog. Had my dog been out for a walk with the handler, I, the owner, would be facing the charges/fines. Not the handler, not the drunken idiot. Me

    I totally accept that some dogs are not friendly toward others.
    Personally, whilst my dog is off leash, when another dog approaches, i have my dog lay down till the dog is passed.

    I dont go to parks, or those dreadful offleash fenced areas. I live in the country, we exercise our dog in the bush or wetlands.
    My dog rarely see's pavements.

    I have 2 parks that i visit. One is off leash. There is a remarkable difference in culture to the 2nd park that is on leash.
    Park 1 offleash: dogs are well socialised, owners are wearing dog walking clothes, and gumboots, we are all muddy and happy, the dogs are wet from swimming together, as are the owners from being shaken on. Everyone and all the dogs are relaxed and socialising. Breeds are various, large, small, working, pets.
    Park2 on leash:
    Dogs are smaller breeds, owners are dressed smartly, owners have no idea about dog behaviour and body language, misinterpret their own dogs body language, and tell me, he's not friendly, despite their dog doing repeated play bows to get to my dog. Any barking from my dog to ask me to throw a ball, and they PICK THEIR DOGS UP! People like this make me sick.
    Why bother to have an animal, a canine, and not go to the trouble of understanding how they act, behave, signals from the body launguage etc. No working dogs are seen in these parks. Just pets. And i see many people taking their elderly dogs for a carry around the park. They say it gets tired. Well guess what, the dogs obese. Its a ball with legs at four edges its so grossly distorted in body shape. Perhaps if they'd put the sodding dog down, and let it walk for a change, it would be healthier.
    I rarely visit park 2. As the owners seem to believe they have a child on the end of the lead, not a dog. They project their own feelings and thoughts to the dog. Its their baby, not a dog its seems.
    Dogs have such wonderful skills. Mine is happiest when i am working him, were he can be free to express all of the attributes of his breeding. He tracks, he hunts, he herds, he swims, and yes, he's my boy. But he's a canine still, not a surrogate child.

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    The onus is on you to control your dog, whether on lead or off.

    I had a situation none too long ago where a very borderline-dog-aggressive pooch being "walked" by his owner actually pulled them over trying to get to Rosie - instead of, like when you come off a horse - you hold onto the reins - this owner let go of the leash. Big dog running us down, hackles up, on a street in the middle of the day, with the owner by now sitting on the pavement just watching {akin to car-crash TV I assume}, frozen.

    It's a bloody good thing that I am not afraid of dogs, nor am I afraid to take on a dog, so I was able to get Rosie sat and waiting for me in the seconds before this dog was upon us. Luckily it stopped about 6 feet away, hackles still up, but now becoming fear-agressive, as in "oh ****, now what do I do?". So I took a step forward, called on my inner scary-person and "ached" and "go!"'d that dog to get his attention, and another step forward and leaned over it. Not the best thing to do, goading a dog, but he had to know that I wasn't going to sumbit, so I had to call his bluff. No other choice.

    Lucky for me and Rosie, it worked, he ran back to his owner with tail wagging.

    Owner could not understand why I then proceed to tear strips off them for not being in control of the dog... "oh, he's too strong for me, I'm sorry, he's freindly, he didn't mean any harm". Bullsh!t that dog was friendly, but you're right, that dog is too strong for you because you nancy around and let him dominate you.

    So, even if a dog is on a leash, it is not necessarily under control, and had the worst happened, you bet I would have strung that owner up and taken them to court and given them a lesson in accountability they would never ever forget.

    You own a dog, you control it. Simple. As for "compromising situations" - to me, that is another way of trying to define the length of a piece of string, as Bernie has clearly outlined. Your idea of "compromised" is almost certainly not going to match the idea of "compromised" under the law. Why on earth would you risk your future, not mention your dog's, for the sake of an undefinable set of circumstances?

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    Victorian dog laws are screwed.

    In other states like NSW, and SA - a dog is allowed to defend its person or property. And no dogs are allowed to harrass or menace people or other dogs whether or not any physical damage is done.

    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998

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    To Bernie, who obviously is a narrow-minded "BIG HERO DOG OWNER"

    Some owners who have small dogs like myself and treat them like their babies because maybe they can't conceive easily like others and adopting a child or using IVF is not financially assessable for them and as they have so much love to give, decide they will have a dog and treat them like a child (to you treating a dog like a child means - caring for them as you don't want to see them in pain, protect them from dangers and realising that dogs have feelings and needs like humans.

    I am proud to say that as a small dog owner I pick my baby up when BOYSTEROUS BIG DOGS run up to him because I care for him and do not want him to get hurt in anyway. (In case you have not realised a German Shepard, Rottie etc is a much larger dog that can do serious damage to a small Jack Russell).

    Bernie you previously have said-
    Mine is happiest when I am working him, were he can be free to express all of the attributes of his breeding. He tracks, he hunts, he herds, he swims, and yes, he is my boy. But he's a canine still, not a surrogate child.

    My boys breed is renowned for tracking rabbits etc, He was born with that instinct. Do I let him murder an animal just because that is what his breed was breed for? No, I do not; instead, he has many toys, ropes etc that he hunts and plays with .

    Their is no difference between you treating your dog like
    A SECOND EMPLOYEE and I treating my dog like child.
    (By they way I did not relies my dog went to sleep overs, went to primary school, played sports and did everything else that actual kids do.
    Ohhhhh that is right because I do not actually treat him like a child, I treat him like a dog should be treated, with respect!

    You are a nieve person who should really think about what you say before you actually open your trash bag of a mouth.

    BTW I didn’t relies that taking pride in how you look means you dress smartly, I guess I should start wearing footy shorts, a wife beater and thongs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuller.k View Post
    To Bernie, who obviously is a narrow-minded "BIG HERO DOG OWNER"

    Some owners who have small dogs like myself and treat them like their babies because maybe they can't conceive easily like others and adopting a child or using IVF is not financially assessable for them and as they have so much love to give, decide they will have a dog and treat them like a child (to you treating a dog like a child means - caring for them as you don't want to see them in pain, protect them from dangers and realising that dogs have feelings and needs like humans.

    I am proud to say that as a small dog owner I pick my baby up when BOYSTEROUS BIG DOGS run up to him because I care for him and do not want him to get hurt in anyway. (In case you have not realised a German Shepard, Rottie etc is a much larger dog that can do serious damage to a small Jack Russell).

    Bernie you previously have said-
    Mine is happiest when I am working him, were he can be free to express all of the attributes of his breeding. He tracks, he hunts, he herds, he swims, and yes, he is my boy. But he's a canine still, not a surrogate child.

    My boys breed is renowned for tracking rabbits etc, He was born with that instinct. Do I let him murder an animal just because that is what his breed was breed for? No, I do not; instead, he has many toys, ropes etc that he hunts and plays with .

    Their is no difference between you treating your dog like
    A SECOND EMPLOYEE and I treating my dog like child.
    (By they way I did not relies my dog went to sleep overs, went to primary school, played sports and did everything else that actual kids do.
    Ohhhhh that is right because I do not actually treat him like a child, I treat him like a dog should be treated, with respect!

    You are a nieve person who should really think about what you say before you actually open your trash bag of a mouth.

    BTW I didn’t relies that taking pride in how you look means you dress smartly, I guess I should start wearing footy shorts, a wife beater and thongs...

    That is incredibly rude, arrogant and narrow minded. By picking your dog up you create more of a problem than you solve. Did you think that picking your dog up made it feel safer? NO, it makes your dog believe it's bigger than the big dog and will make it fear aggressive towards bigger dogs - welcome to where the problem lies.

    I hope I NEVER come across you walking your dog. Ever. Because you are the definition of a nightmare dog owner. You have the type of dog that will chase others aggressively - or worse, chase children (yes I have seen that happen because of guidance and ownership like yours). Before you go off your nut at someone who has investedd time, energy and effort into learning about actual canine behavior perhaps you should get off your butt and do some research yourself.

    I own a medium sized dog, and if you did that in front of my dog he would jump at you trying to say hi to your dog. You leave your dog on the ground and mine will grovel to your smaller dog. Which do you think is a better option?



    BTW, people like you are the reason small dogs have a bad reputation. Think on that the next time you judge another dog coming to say hi.

    I bet you think it's 'cute' when your dog barks and growls at bigger dogs too don't you?



    Oh & I wear joggers, jeans and a decent top when walking my dog. Not some immaculate suit and high heels - can't think of anything worse.

    ETA. I probably should just report your post, but frankly I think it should stay so people realise how much of an issue your attitude can cause.
    Last edited by AngelanBatty; 05-12-2011 at 10:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuller.k View Post
    I am proud to say that as a small dog owner I pick my baby up when BOYSTEROUS BIG DOGS run up to him because I care for him and do not want him to get hurt in anyway. (In case you have not realised a German Shepard, Rottie etc is a much larger dog that can do serious damage to a small Jack Russell).
    Oh and just for the record, most of the dog aggressive dogs I've ever met (and I've met a LOT) have been small dogs with owners who pick them up as though they are a fragile bit of glass....

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    I defiantly do not think its funny if my dog where do growl at other dogs.

    I have seven nieces and nephews and my dog has never chased them aggressively.

    My dog is very obedient. You should not say stuff without knowing the truth!

    The reason why I pick him up when other big dogs approach him; he was run over by an electrician in our property and has a large plate and pins holding his pelvis together. If anything I am a fantastic owner because I paid thousands of dollars to have him fixed, I have never thought twice about spending that money on him

    In addition, if it were not for dog IN GENERAL who run up to mine aggressively I would not have to pick him up.

    Should I just let other dogs attack him?

    If a dog were to play roughly with him and accidentally roll over him or barge into pelvis, it could pop the plates and pins out and he was be paralysed from the waist down.

    I find it highly rude of you to assume things you know nothing about.

    In addition, as for threatening to report me, it goes both ways

    Oh and not one time did I say I wore an immaculate suit and heels!
    hahaha

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    Troll alert...
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    OH! Now I get it... You can assume anything you like about big dog owners but they can't do the same for you!!

    Why would you walk a dog like that in an area with off leash dogs then? Seems a bit niave and narrow minded to me...

    Ah so all I have to do to be a fantastic dog owner is to spend thousands on vet bills? Awesome I fit into that - Now I don't have to worry about providing food, shelter, general daily care and training my dog - Yippee... (Please note the sarcasm)

    Your first post here was attacking a long term member... That automatically puts you offside here. You gave no information so that means I, as well as every other member can only make assumptions about you. Perhaps you should think about that for a second...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuller.k View Post
    To Bernie, who obviously is a narrow-minded "BIG HERO DOG OWNER"

    Some owners who have small dogs like myself and treat them like their babies because maybe they can't conceive easily like others and adopting a child or using IVF is not financially assessable for them and as they have so much love to give, decide they will have a dog and treat them like a child (to you treating a dog like a child means - caring for them as you don't want to see them in pain, protect them from dangers and realising that dogs have feelings and needs like humans.

    I am proud to say that as a small dog owner I pick my baby up when BOYSTEROUS BIG DOGS run up to him because I care for him and do not want him to get hurt in anyway. (In case you have not realised a German Shepard, Rottie etc is a much larger dog that can do serious damage to a small Jack Russell).

    Bernie you previously have said-
    Mine is happiest when I am working him, were he can be free to express all of the attributes of his breeding. He tracks, he hunts, he herds, he swims, and yes, he is my boy. But he's a canine still, not a surrogate child.

    My boys breed is renowned for tracking rabbits etc, He was born with that instinct. Do I let him murder an animal just because that is what his breed was breed for? No, I do not; instead, he has many toys, ropes etc that he hunts and plays with .

    Their is no difference between you treating your dog like
    A SECOND EMPLOYEE and I treating my dog like child.
    (By they way I did not relies my dog went to sleep overs, went to primary school, played sports and did everything else that actual kids do.
    Ohhhhh that is right because I do not actually treat him like a child, I treat him like a dog should be treated, with respect!

    You are a nieve person who should really think about what you say before you actually open your trash bag of a mouth.

    BTW I didn’t relies that taking pride in how you look means you dress smartly, I guess I should start wearing footy shorts, a wife beater and thongs...
    Sorry I have to agree with Angela and I HAVE reported your post. It was totally uncalled for and rude. Things like what is bolded above didn't need to be said. If you wish for people to take you seriously and listen to your side of an argument then generally speaking to people with respect whether or not you believe they deserve it is the best option.

    As it is all I see is someone who is very rude. FYI you can report Angela's post but nothing she did there was wrong.

    Treating dogs like children causes major behavioral problems and as Angela has pointed out picking up your small dog and holding it higher than a large dog is a VERY bad thing to do. Some dogs who may have been fine if your dog was on the ground between your legs might feel extremely threatened by that and actually attack because you held your dog up so much higher than them. Continue to treat your little dog as you do and picking it up and you will one day hit serious issues. Maybe you should read up a little on dog behaviour etc.

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