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Thread: How Far Should an Offleash Dog or Dogs Go Before Our Leashed Dogs Should React?

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    I have had a quick look at some of the posts. When I see a leashed dog I usually leash my dog and sometimes have a quick word with the other owner to establish the state of play as it were.

    As to picking dogs up, yes I have done that with a toy poodle I was looking after when a very aggressive large dog broke its harness and charged and was intent on tearing it apart. I just kept presenting my back with the small dog held tightly to my chest untill the owner gained control.

    I chose to do this because a friend of mine was walking her papillion on leash and when a large GSD charged from across the street and she thought it best not to pick her dog up and it was killed instantly when the GSD grabbed and shook it to death. The GSD was euthanaised and it was pretty tragic all round. The papillion did nothing provocative, it was terrified, the GSD was just in kill mode.
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    I would just like to clarrify in regard to picking up small dogs, there are the rare occations when it is suitable to pick up small dog like when there is definate aggression from another dog, how ever I am more referring to the people who pick their small dogs up for everything a well behaved child(some kids I admit don't understand dogs at a younger ages but IMO that is more on the parent to be aware of), a dog 1 cm taller, another dog that wagged it's tail, a branch waved in the wind ect.
    Kalacreek I understand your point and in such sitations I agree picking would be an appropriet action.
    My point was no matter how small or big the dog they are dangerous if not treated with the correct respect and training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag0ncharm View Post
    I would just like to clarrify in regard to picking up small dogs, there are the rare occations when it is suitable to pick up small dog like when there is definate aggression from another dog, how ever I am more referring to the people who pick their small dogs up for everything a well behaved child(some kids I admit don't understand dogs at a younger ages but IMO that is more on the parent to be aware of), a dog 1 cm taller, another dog that wagged it's tail, a branch waved in the wind ect.
    Kalacreek I understand your point and in such sitations I agree picking could be an appropriet action.
    My point was no matter how small or big the dog they are dangerous if not treated with the correct respect and training.
    Yes there is no excuse for a small dog to get away with innapropriate behaviours. I do however understand why some people pick their very small dogs up in situations they are not certain about.

    When I was looking after my friends toy poodle it made me nervous. No toy poodle was ging to get damaged on my watch LOL so I did pick up a fair bit when I wasnt sure that a much bigger dog was really under control. But I was mighty nervous after the death of several friends toy dogs in the mouths of bigger dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Chey View Post
    I have been asked to reply with quotes. I, indeed can do it, as I believe you may be aware by now, I march to my own drum, have my own set of wings and do not fly under the radar, nor have a gang mentality deficit. Bernie, replied to my post, assuming my dog Cheyanne had done something unworthy. That in itself deeply offends me. My Cheyanne lives on and cannot be replaced by our new girl Dakota. Dakota, however is a personality replica of Cheyanne. I guess it comes down to my bad management. In my original post, rewind the tape, where at any point in time did I or Cheyanne deserve to receive unwarranted criticisms. The following post that supported Bernie, was even more hurtful, because that individual was acting out of allegiance and I dare say- had not even read what I had written. That person whom I have noticed with their dog rosie, has somehow removed the post that continued this source of inflammation. An innocent bystander obviously, supported my post, but TROLLS and go back under the bridge is just as evil as someone saying trashy mouth, but I guess the support and thumbs up will be rallied for that individual! Hipocracy all around. Some come in, now and support my posts, where then and under what rationale were my dog and I deemed irresponsible, or me placing my dog or myself at risk (post removed by the person with rosie)? It was so simple...my dog should not have to tolerate in any place or footpath or oval or beach or wherever the bloody heck I take her, any off the leash dog approaching her with aggro-and for the unleashed supporters-read my previous post, where I stated I had nothing against those whom chose to take the risk of going into an all in offleash dog park.
    I suggest you back up the truck right now, and get your facts straight.

    I've never met Bernie, and I've never met you. I simply hold the opion that your are the controller of your dog, whether it is on lead or off. Taht my opinion happens to travel in the same direction as the previous poster is a matter of happenstance, not some secret societal agreement to pick on you.

    My post has NOT been deleted.

    Having jsut re-read it, I stand by it. What I wrote is factual and true, and if you don'tagree with it, that's fine, but please do not make personal accusations that I am coninuing to make inflamatory posts.

    GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT or BUGGER OFF.

    I did not start anything here, so please do NOT accuse me of doing so. I believe the poerson you should have issue with is the FullerK person who posted after me.

    If you want to label me as a TROLL, be very sure to have your facts 100% right.

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    Sheesh. I miss all the excitement 'round here...

    I haven't seen any inflammatory posts except for the troll?? 'Specially not from Pinkest?? Otherwise there seems to have been some confusion maybe?

    And, I have to ask, where did the reference to smartly dressed or otherwise come from?!

    Crawling back under sofa now...

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    Nattylou there was a small portion in Bernies post but nothing major, some people just took it a bit to heart.

    Park2 on leash:
    Dogs are smaller breeds, owners are dressed smartly, owners have no idea about dog behaviour and body language, misinterpret their own dogs body language, and tell me, he's not friendly, despite their dog doing repeated play bows to get to my dog. Any barking from my dog to ask me to throw a ball, and they PICK THEIR DOGS UP! People like this make me sick.
    It wasn't actually a reference to small dog owners it was a reference to dog owners in a particular park near Bernie's house, a park which he/she said they avoid due to these people.

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    I have missed all of this.......Sad that so many people get so aggressive in a discussion

    I am very interested in dog behaviour. I also take on Rescue dogs and rehabilitate them and i do dog training. And I Instruct at a Kennel Club.
    There are many owners who do not cope with dog aggression. Both small and large dogs have the same issues.

    I always put my dogs in a "drop" when we are off leash and there are new dogs coming towards us on or off leash. And i speak to their owner and we decide as to wether the dogs are allowed or not allowed to meet and greet. this should be done in an orderly manner and it can happen. My dogs are used as class Demo dogs, except for my newest Rescue. And even the small dogs who their owners state hate big dogs, get used to mine and often become confident in greeting them. I do encourage slower intro's for dogs and not head on. And in our classes we spend quite some time on teaching people how to introduce their dogs. And it does not happen overnight. Often after about four weeks you can see the changes.We use sits and drops and angled greetings, not eyeball to eyeball

    As to picking little dogs up..........You can pick your little dog up and not make it feel superior....... this is also what we teach the little dog handlers. We tell them if it is unsafe, pick up your little dog, but do not, pet, encourage, sweet talk, baby talk. Pick it up, turn it away from the feared (by owner or dog) dog and hold it roughly. Even use a firm tone like "enough" for both the picked up dog and the other dog. So don't make this little dog feel like it is "top-dog" and better. just move it out of harms way. And when it is put down, do so with out fussing. it is the owner who makes the little dog feel superior by "helping" it......height does make a dog feel superior, but the human encouragement is really the biggest element of making the small dog feel superior.
    The same can be said for around kids. If the little dog needs to be picked up to keep away from children, pick it up roughly, even scruff( not rough and painful, just not a baby hold) it. this way it is out of the way and will learn that it is moved away and not superior.
    We have noticed over many years with little dogs that this has kept them safe and not turned them into the little "top-dogs". And even some who were a little "attitude on four legs" have changed their manner. Big dogs and small dogs cannot always get on, but many do. it is up to owners and their attitude that will help make our dogs more social.
    And yes there are some dogs that will always remain unable to socialise. they should be taught obedience and learn to be kept under control and still lead a happy life.
    I firmly believe that if all dogs had the opportunity to do some basic positive Obedience, life would be much simpler and dogs and owners might get on better socially. That is why I do not only teach Obedience, but also teach doggy (and owner) social manners.
    Last edited by newfsie; 05-13-2011 at 06:28 AM.
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    Good advice from Newfsie on picking up a small dog in general.

    The few times I have to pick up a small dog to protect it from aggression I always turn my back on the other dog. The small dog has always been terrified and cowering against my body.

    I once had to rehab a very fear aggressive dog and it drove me insane when people used to let their unleashed dog run at her. I used to shout at them to please have some respect and they would say "oh they just want to play they wont bite". Yeah but my leashed dog is terrified, doesnt want to play and will bite. This was often in areas that were supposed to be on leash. Everytime this happened it set her back a little.

    I did eventually rehab her but I always appreciated the people who had some respect and were happy to help out by keeping their dog at a distance where my dog relaxed and I could move her a little closer.

    The other aspect is safety. I hate it when people let unleashed dogs run towards old people walking their dogs. I have seen a very nasty end result with a broken hip to one old lady.

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    I had an experience last night where a lady who is not very bright and crap at reading dogs and people, has a very rough and untrained rescue dog - kelpie x something big and solid. Kamikaze dog.

    So a lady we both know arrives with her ACD on lead - because he is currently in rehab for injury. Boofy dog jumps all over him. Stupid owner, no recall and no hope to catch him. So I block with my dog and my friend with ACD leaves. Sad. Stupid owner does not put her dog on lead by way of correction or control, she lets it go, so it goes back to the ACD and we have to repeat. And stupid owner says - her dog has a thing for other dogs on lead. I decide to keep my distance as she has well pissed me off by then. I tell her to keep her dog on lead until the ACD has left - give them a chance. Stupid owner does this sort of. And then she and I are moving in different directions, I'm working with my dog and her dog comes across the oval and jumps on my dog. So I grab him and hold him. At this point I want to put my dog on lead so I can leave. I wait for her to arrive and she tells me to "let him go" her dog WTF!!!!. I tell her I want to put my dog on lead and leave and I can't do that while he's jumping on my dog. She puts her dog on lead and I leave.

    I hate that one irresponsible and extremely stupid owner has forced two of us to leave the oval. I really seriously thought about calling the ranger at that point. I have tried to explain to her all the problems outlined in this thread but she doesn't think there is anything wrong with what she's doing.

    The last two dogs I know that behaved like hers is, and were not put on lead when needed (ie dog disobedient and other owners and dogs unhappy), ended up causing serious damage to another friends dog and attacking mine. Both of these owners were also completely deluded when it comes to appropriate doggy behaviour and what to do when it's not happening.

    It can be really simple. If your dog is good, it can run off lead. If it is naughty, put it on lead for a while until it can walk nicely with you and ignore other dogs. If it will not come when called and it is big enough to do damage - don't let it off lead in public places. Ever.

    I do feel sad when owners of SWF feel the need to pick their dog up and hold it away from a crawly on lead dog like mine but I would never tell them not to pick up their dog if they're worried about its safety (or it attacking other dogs). However it would be helpful if they swing so that the dog they're worried about travels towards that dog's owner instead of away. I feel really sad when a dog in a play bow gets snatched up and swung round like that.

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    I have had people pick their small dogs up at the sight of my ACD who is gentle and sweet with smaller dogs and once I talk to tham they usually put the dog down, but I can understand their apprehension if a large unknown dog charges towards them.

    The speed at which my friends papillion was killed was a matter of seconds. A couple of good shakes and it was dead. It was all over before anybody could do anything.

    A friends SWF play bowed to a rottie and was so severly mauled she had to be put down. In fairness to the rottie it was on lead - another danger aspect to your dog running up to the wrong dog.
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