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  1. #11


    I have to agree with Dakota.
    I have a dog who has DA issues especially when on leash. I walk her in areas that are on leash, I make sure not to walk her in any areas which are designated off leash and I walk her at the least busiest times. If an out of control off leash dog ran up to us I don't know what she would do (because fortunately it has never happened) she may back down (she is really a very quiet dog, and very submissive with my other dog) or she may lash out, she weights 30 kilos and is a strong girl. That is something I cannot control because I cannot stop her from being the way she is (we are working on it, but it is a work in progress not an overnight fix) and I cannot control if another dog is going to run up to us. That is the responsibility of the owners of the off leash dog.

    Saying that dogs on leashes should be bomb proof when a dog gets up in it's face is asking a bit too much, even of the most placid, well socialized dogs.

  2. #12
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    Aug 2009


    Dogs off lead in public places that charge up to dogs on lead and harrass them - are acting illegally in most states. For starters unless the public place is designated off lead, the dog should be on lead. If it's off lead it should still be under control of the owners and some councils specify - no further than 20m from owner, and it's not allowed ever - to harrass another dog or person. And it doesn't matter if the dog or person being harrassed is hurt or not.

    Given that "harrassment" depends on the dogs and owners, it is best to have a discussion with the owner of another dog before you allow your dog to greet or play with another dog. Some owners regard the kind of play my dog enjoys with other dogs - with horror. And some dogs play too hard for even my dog.

    I think it is important that if you do let your dog play with another dog, you should still be able to call your dog away if there is a problem like the owner or dog does not seem to be enjoying themselves any more. It's a big ask but possible and if you can't do it, don't let your dog off lead in public places. And definitely go get it and put it back on lead, and apologise, if you thought you had control and your dog ignores your recall.

    Most state legislation has a clause in that says - you may use reasonable force to defend yourself, your property, family and your dog when harrassed by another dog. A big golf umbrella can help here as a shield and a surprise to an unwanted dog.

    It is definitely not the fault of dog or owner if the dog is on a tight lead and another dog runs into your space without your permission and your dog defends itself. This is not the same as your dog on lead grabbing a cat from under a bush (another thread).

    relevant bits of the NSW legislation - which is similar to most other states except maybe Victoria.

    must not harass
    NSW Legislation

    Note part 2c of 16...
    (a dog is allowed to defend itself, its property and its handler)...

    can do what you need to do to protect your property.
    NSW Legislation

    And must be under effective control
    NSW Legislation

    Note different rules apply to dogs declared dangerous or restricted - they're supposed to be muzzled in public and secured at home (dig proof, dog proof, child proof cage with all four sides and roof).

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    melbourne australia


    I still hold, that if your dog is on a lead, and another comes up to it and harrasses it, you have a lead in your hand, you have some control. The off lead dog owner clearly has none if the dog has refused a recall.
    I would invest energy in training my dog, not other owners.

    Being able to break a dog fight up is essential, for the very reasons given, that people do just let their dogs run off lead, regardless of what jurisdiction there is.
    And a dog on the leash, is controllable. VERY.
    If you are unable to control your dog, on a leash, then repeat your training till you have the control required to not be risk to others. Surely.

    A dog defending itself/owner/property is limited in what damage it can do if its on a lead.

    I just think, that in the 7 dogs i have personally owned, 2 have been dog friendly, the remainder not keen to varying degrees. But i never shifted the responsibility onto other dog owners, i kept the the care/control/responsibility at my feet. I think you will find the law does to.

    If i greet you on a dog walk, and your dog attacks mine, and its off the lead, YOU will be penalised by litigation, i will not. Simple.

  4. #14
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Gold Coast, Queensland

    Thumbs down Cheyanne has not attacked-ever

    Quote Originally Posted by gold-dog View Post
    Oh how I hate the people who have their dogs offlead if they can't control them. I was walking my girl this morning when a man, with a baby in a pram approached - he had his dog off lead. It rushed towards my girl, hackles up and started barking. Not bowed down as if it wanted to play. It was a much larger dog than mine. He called it, but it didn't respond. He said "it won't hurt your dog". There's no way that I could pick up my 20kg dog, even if I wanted to. I got my dog to sit, hoping that it would be a non threatening position to the other dog. I told her to "ignore". and she trusted me enough to do that. Why do people do that?
    #7 (permalink) 05-07-2011, 12:52 AM
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    Introduction and issues with dogs off leash

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- links of Cheyanne and DakotaHI all, We are new to this forum, Dakota and I. Totally understand the frustration as did our big beautiful longcoat g.shepherd that very recently passed away. When we walked her, we came across all kinds of ignorance and it affected her mostly directly as being such a big girl, we knew the blame would always be with her if she reacted at the many off leash dogs that would instantly become aggressive because they seemed intimidated by her size. She received quite a few nips to her underchin area by little nippy dogs and one attack to her muzzle by a labrador. Cheyanne whom was very soft and dog social, went from a well mannered girl to then raising her fur along her back when these dogs off their lead would tear up to her full of aggro. All in all, she got apprehensive, we got apprehensive and Cheyanne suffered then from crying to the point of our embarrassment, lol-because basically she had always been a very social girl with both people and other dogs and could not understand why we just could not take the risk of even meet and greets, in case she was bitten-therefore she would cry in desperation to socialise, I suppose wondering why she was not allowed to any longer. Had people controlled their dogs on leashes, nothing would have had to change. Without being biased, I saw something interesting on the tv. Little dogs seem to be trusted to run here and there by their owners and when a large dog approaches, owners tend to run toward their barking little friends and scoop them up, holding them up high as if they are going to be attacked. The dog trainer said that from a psychological perpective in doggie psych. that it automatically tells the dog that is standing on leash, that the higher dog is superior to it in ranking and causes confusion and tension between the two. I think that we have a wealth of knowledge to learn from our furry friends and forums such as these are a valuable resource for all interested dog owners. We have a new german shepherd longcoat big boned puppy, Dakota Chey (second name in memory of Cheyanne) and life without Cheyanne inspired us in our purchase and love of Dakota because we knew that life could not be the same without our German Shepherd as a valuable member in our family. No doubt the same trials and tribulations will arise with Dakota, however dogs are not and should not be expected to be saints and one would think that there should be a common respect for each and all of our dogs by keeping them on a leash always unless one decides to take their furry friend and the risk to leashfree dog parks.
    I was supporting the top quote as my first post in this forum, I was for her and her problem, because my dog should not have had to suffer because she was doing the right thing. Yeah it happens, but it should not happen, and I gave my reasons why. How better could Cheyanne have behaved, when even receiving bites to her face, never, ever in her history with us, reacted. The most was described where her fur would raise when other off leash dogs anywhere tore up to her. The reason she would cry is because she actually was very social, people, dogs and cats, our cat, my mothers cat, my mothers daschund, a house full of rex cats and all different size dogs (our friends) etc, etc-because she was on a lead, and held back from meeting-she cried. One of the incidents with a poodle was when we on lead walked through a u shape pathway, where the poodle was off lead and she was on lead, it looked nice and as we passed it left its owner went toward her in a split second with its yapping and literally jumped up and nipped her chin causing blood. The man looked at us like she had done something for being such a big girl. I find it kooky. Thats is why I made the statement, that we found that alot of dogs seemed intimidated of her size perhaps, big fluffy coat, whatever, that makes them act the way they did. these things cannot be predicted when they are dogs not on leads, unlike Cheyanne who always was.

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