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Thread: Microchipping is One Thing; COMPULSORY Microchipping Another

  1. #71
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    Nov 2009


    "Liberty, justice, freedom, equality……. The history of mankind has been a struggle to shake off repression and tyranny."

    Good grief. You're talking about a couple of seconds procedure which helps unite lost dogs with their owners.

    As others have said: use your undoubted energies on something worthwhile. Microchipping is a fabulous tool.

  2. #72
    Join Date
    Aug 2009


    I wonder if there is some factual info on how many dogs are returned to their owners because of their microchip vs how many have complications and die because of their microchip.

    I'm willing to bet dogs/animals returned is much much greater than dogs that die. Even stud cattle and horse breeders are starting to use microchips and I doubt they'd risk their animals lives.

  3. #73
    Join Date
    Mar 2010


    All my dogs are microchipped, and with an escapist like Jackson it's paid for itself already.

    Roxie isn't registered though (:O I know, it lapsed, I'm lazy) but she's still definitely chipped and any dog I have in the future will be chipped. Chipping happens ONCE in a dogs life. Registering happens every year. If Rox somehow got out and was lost, the council wouldn't do crap. It would be Central Animal Records and the National Pet Register that would be of any help. I say it should be compulsory to microchip and stuff off registering.

    Of course things can go wrong. Anything can go wrong, I put my doona in it's cover the wrong way yesterday. I made a cake and the icing went too dry. The bigger thing to look at is the significance of the risk. If 5 out of ten dogs were harmed, then there's reason for concern, but there's not. The risk is minimal.

    Yeah, the system might backfire and everyone's dogs will be randomly assigned to other people. It also might start doing the macarena. Might, Might, Might. Lots of things go right too, like when Jackson ran away and the next day I got a call saying that he had been found. Or when a dog broke into my home and I took her to the vet (beautiful GSD but she broke through our wire door - scared the crap out of me!) they scanned her and she had a chip and went home. Same with Barney, the staffy I found one day. As with Max, and quite a few other dogs that respond to the beacon our home seems to put out for losties.

    The Columbia Space Shuttle failed. Apollo 11 succeeded. Toyota recalled some cars, a fraction of the amount they sell and a tiny amount compared to the number of cars in the world that run successfully everyday. The Chile mining disaster (and NZ one too) were a definite fail. But thousands work in mines and do it every day successfully. I don't agree with nuclear plants, but one in Japan broke from an earthquake. There are many in America alone that all work successfully, more work than fail!

    I understand that it's the compulsion causing you such frustration and outrage, but I hardly think this classifies us as something comparable to Nazi Germany. Unfortunately we don't always like laws that are passed. No government is ever voted for by 100% of the population and therefore outcomes of that government will always be disputed and will make people unhappy. The fact that no one in parliament opposed this laws speaks wonders though, and it's already successful in other parts of the country.

    I agree that some sort of compensation should be implicated, that's fair. Upon registering your dog you could get money back, or the vet could send away to be paid.

    Macky sounds awesome! It's great that he's settled. There are some dogs that don't though, and for those of us who live in suburbia, it's more likely that the dog would be found. Dogs can travel big distances, they can end up at any vet. I'd rather that they ring me than me have to google and ring every single one near my house.

    Things that attach to collars are great, but only if the collar stays on the dog. Collars get caught, ripped, broken, chewed. A tattoo might work, but where will it go??
    a number in the ear? Seems similar to a microchip, but it will fade. If it is in the ear, what happens if the dog is in a fight and his ear comes off? Adequate fencing is already the responsibility of a dog owner, but sometimes they find other means, like windows. Sometimes they sneak out of the door behind you and take off. Sometimes your neighbours kids are playing in the backyard and knock a paling off the fence and Fido gets through. Things go wrong, exactly like you said, and I don't think fencing is enough by itself.

    I have no idea how to put a quote in here which sucks, I'm very tired sadly, but I think you have a real passion for this argument. I just think it's going nowhere. If it's the compulsion you're fighting, then that's fine, but comparing it to tyranny and the Taliban is extreme. If you don't want to follow the LAW, then choose option number three that you gave, and don't get a dog.

    Laws are imposed upon us every day, we follow them blindly most of the time, but it makes society work. I find it awesome that you're thinking about this critically, and that you've done your research and provided evidence, but some of the arguments in there were a little too unrealistic for me to take it too seriously.

  4. #74


    So glad I didn't have to respond in depth to the OP.

    I love the thank button LOL

    nochip, you'd probably do well focusing on human oppression. They are forcing women to be sterilized in China.
    In some parts of the world little girls are being forced to get back yard circumcision which prevents them from being able to enjoy intercourse (if they don't die from the infection first).
    You seem very intelligent and able to express yourself in a manner which would be useful for activism. You should join a worthy movement rather than focusing on a 2 second procedure which causes absolutely no harm to the dog and can reunite it to it's owner without it having to go through the trauma of sitting in a pound.
    When there are no benefits and there is only hierarchy gain with personal pain, then it is oppression.. microchipping is far from that.

  5. #75


    To the OP & their "way to many words for me to even bother reading" all i have to say is...................

    Go and something more positive, perhaps help find loving homes for the unwanted & unloved dogs sitting in shelters & pounds.

  6. #76


    By coincidence I am just back from picking up 2 dogs who were running down the great western Hwy- almost runover every min by trucks- no collar or tags.... picked them up and drove to closest vet for microchip read , within 15 min reunited with frantic owner.

    My morning says it all really.

    Honestly there are so many human rights/animal rights issues at the moment I do not understand why you would waste this much time and effort on this.

  7. #77
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    Apr 2011

    Exclamation Petition: Stop Compulsory Dog Microchipping in Tasmania

    For the benefit of new readers who may wish to sign, here's a link:


    1) "TARGET" should read "The Parliament of the State of Tasmania" and not "5000".

    2) There is some minor text corruption thanks to "copy & paste".

    Waiting to hear from CARE2's Petition Site about resolving the above.

    3) If you sign and you're from Tasmania please mention this in a comment, as the "drop down" list shows only countries and not states.

    4) In a related petition, not specific to Tasmania, I read this comment:

    17:54, Apr 25, Linda King, NM
    I just lost my 8yr old dog Jesse to a hemangiosarcoma on 04/22/2011. A bluish black mole had developed at the microchip site and it metastisized to the spleen area. I am devastated

    I think that "NM" is New Mexico in the USA.

    5) Thanks to those who have signed the petition sponsored by myself (link above) and, in advance, to new signatories.


    Saville (aka nochip)

  8. #78


    It is awful that that lady lost her dog to cancer, however hemangiosarcoma is a very common cancer in dogs that usually appears around middle age. I can pretty confidently say the chip didn't cause it.

    Scarring around the injection site is common, but scars don't cause cancer.

  9. #79
    Join Date
    May 2009


    Good grief. Flooding the forum with paranoia style posts will not increase your chance of finding someone who supports you.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

  10. #80
    Join Date
    Mar 2010


    If you can't reply to the counter arguments bought up in the other thread, what makes you think people are going to sign anything in this one?

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