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    I'm suburban, well large rural town, but mine have a run also. There is a 3 mtr x 4 mtr shed partitioned into two with houndhouses etc and a 17 x 7 mtr enclosure. The actual enclosure has been dug out with 3ft retaining walls, then 4ft pool fence on top. I put my dogs in there when I'm not home. Safety and shelter for them, reassurance for me as the gates lock. Even though I have 6ft paling fences and key lock gates around my yard, the run was something I knew was non negotiable for when I was not home (cant trust em in house!!)

    I agree with Kala and Di, if exercised regularly, dogs deal well with crating, confinement or runs. I wonder- and I could be wrong- but when you were not outside with your girls, did they tend to hang about near the house? If they did, an enclosed run near your house would do just the trick. The only diff is if they were declared DD then your run has to have a roof.

    ETA; so, if they were declared DD (which, incidentally I do believe is a forever label) they have to be: muzzled in public (to me this would mean outside your (hypothetical) dog run in the 1.5 acres if off lead). But if you redid the 1.5 acres of fencing and the dogs were supervised and noone was looking, I'd say only muzzled when unsupervised. Did I make sense? Then there are signs and red/yellow collars. It isn't ideal, but if you either have them inside, outside on lead being exercised til you get fences done, muzzled outside, or in their run when you can't supervise, then you could effectively keep your dogs. The only diff I could see versus how my dogs live is the signs, collars and muzzle which you can avoid using if you supervise.

    I don't know if that was helpful, just my thoughts.
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    i had to rehome my golden retriever because he was showing agression towards my children ( yes actual unprovocted aggression).... anyway as horrible as it was for me I managed to find a great person to take him, i kept in contact and know that he is very well looked after. I see him a few times a week and although I miss him, he is getting all the attention he deserves without having to live with children.

    Just thought you would like to know if you do rehome them, there are lovely people out there and some look after their dogs just as we would have

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    I couldnt have lived with myself if I didnt try once more for the my girls so after establishing where we could pilfer money from, we rang the farmer next door and went up and saw him and his wife. We offered to replace the boundary fence which is in bad repair at our own cost with one the same as the one we had built when we bought (which the dogs have NEVER penetrated), buy a fully enclosed run for the dogs and that the dogs would be in the run unless fully supervised.

    He came down to our house about 2hours later and so no, they have to go.

    So at least I tried. There is nothing more I can do. The silly thing is that we told him we would get another dog, that the new dog would be enclosed and we would do the fence so all he was saving us was the heartbreak of giving up the two dogs we had but nope, they gotta go.....

    We have dogs because we go water skiing and when we are out in the boat all our gear is left by the bank, unwatched. We wanted someone to watch the gear after my husband had stuff stolen while he slept on a fishing weekend. He also works away so it is nice to know the dogs are there. Under DD you cant take them anywhere without written warning to neighbours, we couldnt take them to the water and the whole thing is just too huge and and complicated. Plus, farmer doesnt want them classified, he wants them GONE. The only way to keep the dogs would be an expensive and neighbour upsetting court case and then they would still have to be penned etc and yes we have kept our dogs but at what expense, and I dont just mean money.

    I am confident that we will find them a wonderful place to go, it will just take a bit of time and that, at least, we have. Farmer knows we are working on it and he knows they are contained while we do so and that makes him happy.

    Thanks everyone!
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    Thanks for the update Kerrie. I'm so sorry to hear that your neighbor is unwilling to let you try. I do understand his point about his stock, but it would have been nice if he could have been flexible given that, as neighbors, you are obviously accepting responsibility.

    S***ty situation all round.

    I wish you the absolute best in trying to find good homes for your girls. How heartbreaking.

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    I don't think leaving unattended dogs to guard your stuff in a public place is legal anymore. Even if they are pegged or tied up. Note - the back of a ute is not a public place.

    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 13 Responsibilities while dog in public place

    I'd be worried for the dogs' safety more than that of my gear... people mean enough to steal stuff, are also mean enough to do nasty things to unattended dogs.

    I suspect the poor farmer and many of his friends have been through this before and having the dogs relocated (or PTS) is the only way he knows that works reliably. Too many people don't keep their promises or there is some accident or malicous act that lets the dogs out and it happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I don't think leaving unattended dogs to guard your stuff in a public place is legal anymore. Even if they are pegged or tied up. Note - the back of a ute is not a public place.

    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 13 Responsibilities while dog in public place

    I'd be worried for the dogs' safety more than that of my gear... people mean enough to steal stuff, are also mean enough to do nasty things to unattended dogs.

    I suspect the poor farmer and many of his friends have been through this before and having the dogs relocated (or PTS) is the only way he knows that works reliably. Too many people don't keep their promises or there is some accident or malicous act that lets the dogs out and it happens again.
    that is just so true, I have seen it happen more than once, a dog who has killed always wants to kill again and will go to great lengths to get free to do so when the mood takes him, that is the part that fools people too, they do not always try right away to repeat the action, the farmer will know all this, he is not being nasty just practical and doing what he must to protect his stock.
    When you do get a new dog Kerrie it will not know about killing and will not be keen to escape for any reason, sad as it is, you are doing right to let the dogs go.

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    Yah, there's no way I would leave my dog on a beach alone, like Hy said you never know what could happen to them, plus in most (if not all areas) dog have to be under effective control at all times, even at an off-leash park. Leaving them on a beach is hardly effective control.

    The farmer sounds like a right @sshole but still... he does have his rights and your dogs did kill his sheep so you'll have to chalk this one down to experience.

    I probably should add, I have been on the receiving end of dogs killing my animals. We talked to the neighbor and they did nothing. We erected TALL fencing that the dog should have had no hope of scaling... still, it jumped the fence and killed another pet of ours.

    I believe in second chances, but if this has happened to the farmer before I can't really fault him, he's not asking for them to be destroyed, although he could be a little more understanding.
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    What a horrid situation.

    I am going to go the other way though and say, it's really not the farmers/neighbours decision about whether you get rid of the dogs or not....so to kinda say "he says they have to go" isn't really right. He wants them to go or he is going to have them classified as dangerous...but it's your choice at the end of the day. I do agree with others in that he could be a little mor eunderstanding as you are clearly accepting responsibility and are willing to make sure it doesnt happen again.

    If it was me personally, my dogs would be in a run and/or chained, no way they would be going.

    I do feel terrible that you are in this situation, not nice at all for anyone involved really. I just hope you are doing what is right for you in this situation as well as everyone else (dogs and farmer and stock).

    I would be concerned that the farmer might attempt to stop you from geting a new dog or something if he thinks he had this win over you....maybe I am just paranoid

    Good luck whatever happens

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    Lala,
    I don't think you quite get it, the authorities have bent over backwards to let this matter slide IF the dogs go, it is NOT up to the farmer to declare them anything it is up to the council, and possibly the police if they were involved not just the farmer, he can push it,(in QLD that would be at least $800 per dog for just attacking, it may be more by now) or let it go, he can demand his dead stock be paid for plus push for a fine, dogs killing stock is no joking matter, in days past in rural areas there were no second chances they got shot. End off.
    Kellie's post's do show a certain lack of understanding of laws and responsibility toward same, sorry Kellie I do not want to make you feel worse but those who want to make this farmer look bad do not have an understanding of just what is A: the actual law, and B: moral laws that just should apply here.
    Kellie,
    You seem to realise now that you must make that hard decision and indeed you must, do not hold it against your neighbour, he could have made it a darn sight worse for you.

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    Well a lovely family came to see the dogs today and they are going to let us know tomorrow.

    As for the dogs being on the beach while we ski......all i have to say is AT LEAST WE TIE OURS UP!!!!!!!!! At our local water ways dogs wonder around all the time under no supervision, let alone leads. Our dogs are always VERY securely restrained and NEVER off their leshes. If you come to our camp you pass by all our things and then the dogs are there. 90% of the time there is someone there with them. They are their to protect our stuff and to stop undesirables, like feral teenagers etc, camping next to us. They sit beside us by the campfire of a night time and sleep pegged out right by our caravan. If you follow by the rule stated in the ACT that means you cant tie them outside the local shop when you go to get milk or anything. I mean come on???

    Lala, I appreciate your thoughts and hell we would love to do taht but as i have said before, if we keep them and he gets DD (we live in RURAL NSW so he will get it) their lives become miserable. If we move them, they get a second chance. We are heartbroken but they move on and that is the important thing, what is right for them.

    I will also say again, this 'farmer' (he owns 5 sheep unshorn this year and never attended, one horse, not ridden or attended in 18months and one steer, same deal with him) has not had this done to him before and our dogs have not in 18 months breached the fence.

    We have already told the farmer we Will get another dog, and this time, he WILL pay his part of the fence. He has aknowledge he cant stop us from getting one.

    Yes we should have had them in a run. Yes it is our fault but we are trying to do the best by everyone here. You live and learn.

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