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    SAd you have to find home for your dogs.......We also live rurally. But our dogs are only in our yard when we are home. Ours are inside or in their kennel run when we are inside or not home. We also have problems with dogs chasing our stock. So we are on both sides. We have had a horse put through a fence by a dog that came from a Hobby Farm. And we had two calves killed.
    It is difficult.......Stock run and dogs get exited and go into prey drive. Some more then other breeds. We have newfoundlands and they just do not seem interested. But I have heard that even one of those was once in a pack chasing sheep. Our dogs are used to stock, but I would never leave them where they possibly could chase stock. I love GSD's, but I would never have one where we live now. Because if ever one got out by mistake, even if not chasing anything. Our neighbours would shoot. Whilst with the newf's, they pick them up and bring them home. As happened ten years ago.
    But I still do not trust any of my dogs to stay within our house fences, which are also electric and dog proof, whilst we are not around. It is six foot covered cyclone mesh or the house.
    I hope you are able to find a loving caring home for your girls
    Pets are forever

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    Sounds like your neighbours are a little 'small town backward'. Not the right neighbourhood for you, pfft, what a load. This isn't your fault and it's not theirs, it was an accident. Roxie has no interest in my socks. I
    The dogs hardly went through several fences and then killed a bunch of sheep by accident. WTF? It wasn't a small town. It was rural. Dogs are usually shot for this.

    This kind of thing is almost always the dog owners responsibility / fault. The only time I would say it is not is if the neighbours sheep escaped onto on the dog's property.

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    If a dog shows no interest in sheep AT ALL, then suddenly does this, how can it be anyones 'fault'? If they continually jumped the fence or barked, were aggressive in any way to the sheep, then sure. I find it strange that a dog suddenly goes for something it's never shown interest in. I'm not going to say to this poor woman who has to give up her pets that it's all her fault. Technically/Legally, yes, they're her pets so it's her responsibility, but have some compassion.

    You can't change the past, only the future, and I see no point in making the OP feel like crap because of something she can't change, or something that she definitely didn't encourage or want. You said so yourself, no one knows what circumstances there were when this happened. Maybe accident is the wrong term, but I'd say this is pretty random.

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    Of course it is the owner's fault, just as it would have been my fault had mine done this and it was very much on the cards that it would have.
    OP. We commiserate with you that this has happened and feel so much for you with your decision that they have to go. Is there a rescue near you that you can surrender them to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jucealala View Post
    If a dog shows no interest in sheep AT ALL, then suddenly does this, how can it be anyones 'fault'? If they continually jumped the fence or barked, were aggressive in any way to the sheep, then sure. I find it strange that a dog suddenly goes for something it's never shown interest in. I'm not going to say to this poor woman who has to give up her pets that it's all her fault. Technically/Legally, yes, they're her pets so it's her responsibility, but have some compassion.

    You can't change the past, only the future, and I see no point in making the OP feel like crap because of something she can't change, or something that she definitely didn't encourage or want. You said so yourself, no one knows what circumstances there were when this happened. Maybe accident is the wrong term, but I'd say this is pretty random.
    How do YOU, or the OP know that this may have indeed happened before but they were not aware of it until the worst happened?

    I am in no way condemning the OP as this so easily could be me in this heartbreaking position.
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    Thank you guys for your commiserations but no I dont need to be blamed or have you point out that it is my fault. Dont you think we feel bad enough? Dont you think if we coudl turn the clock back we would have them chained for 10hrs a day instead of having 1.5acres to run on? They had barked at the sheep, they did know the sheep were there, they had just never chased or tried to get in there before.

    We cant turn the clock back, we cant keep them (it is NOT our choice, it is a police directive or they become Dangerous Dogs and check out THAT legislation before you say it is an option).

    There is a shelter but we thought we would try the paper first. You dont exactly find pedigree GSD's in the shelter so people might not think to look there.

    If they go tomorrow to a good home/s then I will be able to sleep a bit better and if makes all you finger pointers feel any better we WONT be getting any other animals until we can afford $10K to redo all boundary fences and build a run!

    Thank you for your kind thoughts those that gave them.
    kerrie
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    I hope you find your beautiful dogs a good home.It is so sad it ended up like that when you wanted the best for your dogs.

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    Hi Kerrie,
    Thanks for explaining the 'dangerous dog' legislation.

    I can't help having difficulties understanding this though. I find the deal you're been offered slightly odd. Get rid of them or they'll be classified as 'dangerous'. Does giving them away make them any less dangerous? What if you give them to a shelter and someone from another rural area takes them. Are they less dangerous there?

    What I'm trying to say is that this deal looks a bit odd to me and I'm wondering whether it's worth it to get legal advice on what steps need to be undertaken and what is involved to classify a dog as dangerous?
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    Margoo, the legislation states that the dog will be declared dangerous if it remains on the property it is ordinarily kept on and will therefore be subject to specific conditions of housing etc.
    Whether this means the dog is given a clean slate if removed, I'm not sure. It doesn't really make sense at all, I agree. It could depend on what the actual incident was ie, the dogs show no aggression to persons or anything other than the sheep so if you remove them from sheep there won't be a problem?

    It does state that the attack needs to be unprovoked. Can the farmer prove the sheep didn't provoke the dogs? I agree with Margoo, can you ring legal aid or someone similar and get any advice?

    I agree with trying to find a home before releasing them to a shelter. If they are purebred, can you ring the breeder and ask about rehoming, or ring whomever you got them from?

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    Basically from what the police said, and if this had NOT gone to the police then we probably wouldnt be in this situation, but it did so....

    The farmer says he wants them gone or he will follow it through to Dangerous Dogs with Council. Council then speak to farmer and police, assess and place them as Dangerous Dogs if they see fit. They killed a sheep and had another one in the dam when stopped so it will be dangerous dogs. Police said if we re-home in a non-rural area and new owners have full knowledge of background then they wont pursue to Council for Dangerous Dogs.

    Does that make sense?

    Plus while we do not live on each others door steps he is still our neighbour so we need to respect his loss and our dogs did kill and they should not be given the opportunity to do so again.

    There is also the point that say we raised the money for new fences (and we have explored this) and the neighbour agreed to let us keep them in a run and the new fences IF they did it again the fines are HUGE, like sell your house to pay them. We cant take that risk.

    Best to remove the temptation. We dont have to let them go to any Joe Bloggs who walks through the door. We just have to rehome as fast as we can.

    Thanks again everyone - let it be a warning, if nothing else, to everyone else.
    Kerrie

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