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    i took the dogs for a walk tonight on my own (which i try to avoid) as OH had things to do and couldnt come.
    couldnt do it without the gentle leaders which usually save my arms from being pulled off.

    the dogs were behaving so i was just relaxing strolling down the path daydreaming lol.

    all of a sudden a small fluffy dog came round the corner (off lead) about 5 metres in front of me barking and growling at my pair. harley and lily have never been confronted by a dog showing aggression and this dog was up for a fight.
    before i could react and prepare myself for the lunge harley and lily were running straight for this dog, with me on the end of the leash, hand tangled so i couldnt even let go (let the man s**t himself when 2x 50kg rotties stand over his dog- they would just play). when they pulled they got my elbow straight and i had absolutly no way of yanking back and my other arm was probably swinging round like a lounatick trying to keep balancced. i did everything i could not to fall over (thank god i didnt) i yelled HARLEY! and gave everything i had in a tug and they stopped. OMG this little fluff bag still goin nuts and its owner finally came ova and apologised to me and picked up his dog.
    i was so pi**ed off. i know i wouldnt take my dogs out alone if i thaught they would be viscous to another dog i would espicially not walk them off leash on a busy street if they were dog aggressive no matter what the size.

    i had an image of my self being dragged face first accross the footpath until they stopped luckily that didnt happen.

    now i wont have the guts to walk them alone even though i have done it heaps, we walk passed other dogs and go to off lead parks where they interact with others no probs.

    now left with a sore arm,

    any advise from others with large breeds to stop dogs yanking on lead when they see another dog, (they will walk without pulling after about the first 3 mins of walk when the excitement wears off)


    vent over lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tessalyon View Post
    any advise from others with large breeds to stop dogs yanking on lead when they see another dog, (they will walk without pulling after about the first 3 mins of walk when the excitement wears off)
    Man, this stuff really annoys the poo outta me.

    Quick detour (sorry!); leaving the dog pool on Wednesday arvo there was a guy with his two labs (BIG FAT Labs) off leash right outside the entrance gate. He yells out to me "Dont worry, they're friendly"... Yeah, great, Mate, but if your dogs get in my dogs' face (well, Flirtty's face) she is likely to go the little "I'm Boss" nip (we are working hard on this one, btw) and then you, Mate, will scream bloody murder!

    So I call out and ask him to move away and he's like "But my dogs are friendly", and I said 'Yes, but mine aren't". "Oh" comes the reply, "I didn't know they would attack my dogs".

    Through gritted teeth I manage to say "They wont attack, they just arent friendly!!!"... and he says "Oh, but I dont understand"....


    AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!

    In my opinion, Tessa, you should be able to feel safe walking both your dogs by yourself without having to worry about other people's dogs who are their responsibilit.

    Mmmmm, vent over :-)

    I found that I had to train "loose lead walk" to get a handle on my guys. I trained a command (mine is "slow") which they now know means "IF the leash goes tight, I am doing the wrong thing". Thus when they see another dog, that base knowledge (not to move too far from me that the leash would tighten) helps.
    The other thing that has helped is training all manner of basic commands in ever increasing distraction level environments. I find other dogs to be high up on the distraction scale, thus I train "sit", "down", 'stand", "slow" etc in the park where other dogs are.
    What I think this has trained my dogs to do is go "oh, there's a dog. No worries, I know I just do what Jo says and lovely things happen... but if I worry about that dog over there, it spoils my fun."

    Did that make any sense at all?

    The other alternative is to turn 180 degrees (away from the other dog), pop the collar (don't do this with a head halter) and encourage your dog to come with you. In this scenario, they learn that lunging or surging toward the other dog leads to going the other way... which is preventing them reaching the goal (the other dog).

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    tessalyon

    You could try a front attach harness ie one that clips on in the middle of the chest. I like the sensible for my dog but there are other brands available. Blackdog (Victorian mob) also make them.

    It gives you a bit of extra leverage on the dog, a bit like how a wheelbarrow works or how wrapping the lead around a tree or a strong pole works (well actually that mostly works by friction but if it was free spinning like a winch on a sail boat - extra leverage).

    Be very careful how you hold the lead. I learned this with sail boats and with horses, you start wrapping the lead rope around bits of yourself like your hand or back to your elbow and you risk losing your fingers or getting burns on your arm etc.

    I don't know what kind of lead you use, but you may want to consider getting the rope horse lead type, and putting a knot in it about 50cm back from the clip to give you better grip. They're much easier to hold than the webbing sort and the knot helps you get a grip point or you can even stand on it (works for my dog but she doesn't weigh nearly as much as a full size rottweiler).

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    thanks for repsonses.

    i was just so frustrated that night. i want to feel safe walking my dogs and i want my dogs to be safe too,
    they have never shown any aggression to other dogs and are pretty well socialised. but they are rottweilers and they are young, their play comes accross pretty intense to someone who doesnt know them. (since lily was a pup her play time comes along with a belly rumbling growl that sounds scary but never leads to anything)

    what made me even more frustrated was last night while driving i saw the same man with the same dog off lead walking.

    i do try to practice loose lead walking and they are getting there, first 3 minutes or so of walk they pull and when other dogs go past i usually just get them to sit on the nature strip and wait patiently until dogs are past.

    our leads are chain about 40cm with a rubber grip then a loop handle so you can get your hand free easy but this time i had little tessas long puprle lead (basic strap like lead- sort of like seat belt but smaller) on lily cos when they have the same length lead lily likes to be on outside and she always gets the lead under harleys tail and then we get issues like stopping and tangles.

    i think what i really need is one of those things that you can hold one lead with 2 dogs but i think it will be a while before i go alone with both again. (now 2 long walks for me each day at least ill get fit)

    what scares me the most is if my dogs do happen to get in to a scuffle with another dog mine will be shown as the aggressor because of their breed and if anyone tried to take them away believe me i would become the aggressor.

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    I do have one of those 'coupler' things for my dogs, but unfortunately for me I find it makes life harder, not easier. The eleastic means my guys are constantly stretching it the flinging back in towards each other and bouncing off each other and if one wants to stop to pee, or if Villi has to be put in a down-stay, Flirtty gets dragged into it.

    I'm sure they are useful, just not for me, lol.

    I have only just gotten to a point where I can walk both together without looking like a circus act. Many long months of walking separately twice per day... I feel for ya!!!

    Everyone should be able to feel safe walking their dogs. But everywhere you go there us someone with a dog off lead in public who just makes it hard for the responsible owner... I don't have a solution, and until shire councils get off their collective butts and actually make an effort towards promoting responsible dog ownership, nothing will change. I'm pretty over it, thinking of moving out 'bush' and just avoiding the rat race.

    But not everyone can practically do that, and it is damned inequitable that the person with the large/black and tan/working breed/publicly damned breeds are the ones who are most impacted.

    Though I was done with the rant.... Ooops

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    You need to put the number for your ranger in your phone so you can ring next time you see this man walking his dog off lead. It's not legal in most places in Australia anymore. Too many dogs squished by cars mainly.

    You also need to be able to control your dogs. I suspect two rotties can out pull you. Getting a system that joins them together and combines their pulling power is only going to make that worse ie together on the same lead they will be able to pull twice as hard.

    I've tried walking two naughty beagles on this system - never again. Talk about painful and useless. And compared to a rotti, a beagle has nothing.

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    thanks hyacinth
    i will put the rangers number in my phone thats a good idea.

    maybe that coupler thingy not such a good idea

    ill work on them until we can get it right, they are very ball and food orientated so i think ill just have to get out there with them both and work on the conentration thing

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