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    We'll be there whenever/ if you're ready :-)

    IMHO Roxie sounds, from your brief description, to be on the lower end of the difficulty scale. We've certainly had much harder join in! And there's a huge difference between drive and aggro (even though both kinda have some visual similarities).

    If you decide to check us out, a call to Judi will help lots. But only when you're ready.

    And I'm sure you are right- any structured, consistent training which gives Roxie success whether at class, at home, or privately like you're doing at Kepala will benefit her.

    Can't wait to hear how you go!!

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    One of the common complaints about 2x2 method is that the dogs sometimes 'start counting' and leave the poles before they're done.
    I'd blame the trainer's lack of understanding of the method for that one...

    It may be as simple as a lack of fitness and strength for the dog, ie it pulls out because after a few it starts to get tired... or bored... or has not enough value on the weaving... ie if it's "no fun" they're going to pull out early.

    When I see a trainer go "it's not working", I do wonder if they are actually following the method properly. For me, if it's not working, it usually means I'm rewarding something I shouldn't or punishing something I should be rewarding. Or basically my timing is off, or my reward isn't good enough or I've been working the evil hound too long.

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    Roxie barks when other dogs are playing and running.
    Definitely going to need to work on that or she will never be able to go to a class or competition.

    I've been taking my dog to competitions just to get her used to the environment. I plan to do that as much as I can this year before I enter any and maybe do a few drills near the comp but outside the fence or on lead (so she can't nick off and interfer with other dogs competiting). She's pretty good, I've done a mock trial and she did not run off to play with the other dogs. But she did eventually get bored with the 19 tunnel course and nick off to check out some people way over there with a pram. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    When I see a trainer go "it's not working", I do wonder if they are actually following the method properly. For me, if it's not working, it usually means I'm rewarding something I shouldn't or punishing something I should be rewarding. Or basically my timing is off, or my reward isn't good enough or I've been working the evil hound too long.
    Oh, you bet. I agree entirely. That's why I like the method Janelle is teaching, there is so little room for handler error/ misunderstanding/ crap timing ect. It's just this awesomely natural progression... It is a little slower, but it seems like one minute you're running through some poles with your dog, the next the dog is weaving. I have no doubt 2x2 works... Or it wouldn't have been around so long. I just love this different way, so simple, no complications, hardly need to think!!
    Last edited by Villain & Flirtt; 02-21-2011 at 05:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    When I see a trainer go "it's not working", I do wonder if they are actually following the method properly. For me, if it's not working, it usually means I'm rewarding something I shouldn't or punishing something I should be rewarding. Or basically my timing is off, or my reward isn't good enough or I've been working the evil hound too long.
    Oh, you bet. I agree entirely. That's why I like the method Janelle is teaching, there is so little room for handler error/ misunderstanding/ crap timing ect. It's just this awesomely natural progression... It is a little slower, but it seems like one minute you're running through some poles with your dog, the next the dog is weaving. I have no doubt 2x2 works... Or it wouldn't have been around so long. I just love this different way, so simple, no complications, hardly need to think!!
    Last edited by Villain & Flirtt; 02-21-2011 at 05:38 PM.

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    Sorry... Double post for no apparent reason!

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    Hyacinth do you mean a class like a basic obedience class or a competition class thing?

    I'd actually love to take her to a class just to watch, for me to see how it all works and to see how she reacts. My school doesn't have a class until later in the year though.

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    A competition eg an Agility competition. Ie most of them anyone can walk in there with their dogs (on lead except in the ring) and just sit around and watch like an amateur footy game.

    It's different to agility dog club classes. Theres usually loads of distracting things going on all at once. Loads of dogs in crates or tie outs, some barking their heads off continuously. At ours there are usually 3 or 4 or even 5 competiton rings marked off with ropes (ie not doggy proof at all) with dogs in the rings doing their thing (and sometmies barking their heads off at the same time.

    And there are gazebos and people everywhere. Most of them that are sitting around watching would be happy to fill you in with running commentary and stuff. And gossip about various competitors. Note to self - never bitch about anyone - it always gets back to them.

    Anyway it's full of distracting things and dogs and your dog would need to be able to cope. Some of the sites have a lot of space around so you could work at a distance with your dog. It is great to watch the top classes and how clever the teams are, and it is also encouraging to watch some of the beginner classes and think "I could do that".

    Classes are similar but with fewer people and more organised. Ours usually don't have any barriers between groups either so if your dog is distracted by other dogs and nicks off to greet/attack them you're not going to be very popular.

    And Agility is very difficult to safely train on lead. And it's flat collars with no dangling tags only.

    So competition or club classes are not like you can go in a barn with just you and your dog and have no distractions for your dog...

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    Oh I see what you mean. I don't think Rox is ready for a class, but I was never looking at competition or anything like that. Just for fun.

    We went today and had a good play. She went on everything except the see saw, I never bothered with it, and she had no fear! She was running and jumping on everything. I put her in a sit at the end of the tunnel and walked to the other side, then called her through. I made her go around the poles, through the tires, over the jumps. She blitzed the a-frame, I even got her to sit at the top and wait while I moved to the next jump.

    It was a lot of fun for both of us, I think she'd be a great at a class one day.

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    Glad you guys had fun as thats what it's about at the end of the day & getting more obediant focused dogs while we are at it.
    Dogs make everyday life enjoyable...........

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