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    just took my little boy to have his 2nd vaccine and i really didnt feel comfortable with the vet we saw.

    firstly she asked what i was feeding him and i told her a raw diet, she got mad at me and told me no puppy can grow or develop properly on a raw diet and that they need puppy food full stop, and that i should put out puppy food for him and if he doesnt eat it, he can eaisly go 7 days without eating. thats the way to get a puppy to eat commercial foods???
    i then told proceeded to tell her the exact things he gets fed and she was amazed and what "great variety of natural foods" i was giving him and then she tells me he is one of the healthiest looking staffy pups she has ever come through her door... wtf??
    i told her that im sticking to this diet and she told me that if thats what im going to do, then i need to give him calcium powder, pentavite (baby vitamins) & fish oil tablets every single day... does this sound right??

    secondly, he is 10 weeks old exactly today and he is due for his last needle again in 4 weeks, but she said it would be better to wait 6 weeks until his next needle... so she has booked him in again in 6 weeks time. why would this be better??

    and lastly, he was given a c5 vaccine today, however the sticker said c3... my receipt also says that i paid for a c5 which cost me $85

    sorry about the long post but do you think im being silly or should i go see another vet next time??

    cheers renee

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    One word - yes

    If in doubt always , always seek further opinions or different treatments.

    ps; I'm a raw feeder as well

    edit to add - your pup/dog will tell you in short time if you are feeding them the wrong way.
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    Is he getting bones and sardines? He doesn't need the calcium powder.

    I do give it to my dog at the rate of about half a teaspoon per day/dinner but she doesn't get bones to eat.

    Pentavite might be a good idea, I'm not sure. Pet food marketing is very strong on "complete balanced diet" while neglecting to mention all the harmful ingredients they contain. I sorted one vet nurse out by making her read the ingredients on the tin of dog food poison she was trying to sell me. She honestly believed the marketing and had No Idea what she was really recommending.

    You don't need the fish oil if you feed a tin of sardines (not all at once or he will likely get the runs) a week.

    Sometimes to get the C5, they give three shots ie C3 plus the other things separate. I can never remember which one is in what. The C3 vaccine theoretically only needs to be given every three years and other stuff like Kennel cough vax needs to be every year. (and another I forget). Some dogs have bad reactions to the vaccines and their owners prefer to give as few as possible and do something called "titre testing" for immunity testing before giving booster vaccines.

    Personally I think it's less fuss to give the C5 annually. There were three shots when she was a puppy, I had to organise two of them.

    Is there another vet in the practice you could discuss details with? If you don't feel comfortable with this vet, definitely see another.

    There is a slight problem with people like this - some of them have great people skills ie you feel good, but their patient management is not as good - ie your pet will not get the best care possible. It's really really hard to tell but I'm always happy to put up with a blunt awkward vet or doctor that fixes the problem than a smooth talker who doesn't.

    It does seem like this particular vet has fallen for the marketing hype of the pet food (and drug) industry without actually questioning anything they're telling her.

    Maybe have a read of this too.
    APVMA Position Statement - Vaccination Protocols For Dogs And Cats

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    What does this vet think your pup would be eating in the wild? Foie Gras on silver service? I wouldn't mind betting she also plugged the brand that the clinic "just happens" to stock. Her approach strikes me as at best very foolish, and at worst, bordering on professional misconduct.

    Trust your gut, and not only choose a different vet, but at a different clinic. Had this been me, I would have left as soon as she started in on the angry routine. You should also have them clarify exactly what shot your pup received, in writing - that they would record C3 and charge C5 is also a huge flag - simply more unprofessional behaviour.

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    ok thanks guys, im gonna go with my gut and see a different vet next time... i admit, im not great at standing up for myself in awkward situations

    his diet is pretty much this and this is what i also told her.
    chicken wings, necks, crushed up carcasses (as he is only a pup, but that will change to whole carcasses when he is bigger) raw meaty bones from beef, lamb, pork etc. mince with vegies, 1-2 raw eggs a week, 1 tin of sardines per week, and i have just introduced offal 1-2 times a week.

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    My vet wanted to give my pup 3 vaccinations so I took him(the pup) to a vet that said they only need 2.
    I can't stand that sort of blind arrogance where someone with a commercial interest in something shoves it down my throat, if they try I just go somewhere else.
    You are not bound to any 1 vet, they are just providing a service and if you don't like the service go somewhere else, just like you would with a hairdresser if you got a bad haircut.

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    Meh

    My vet is happy to sell commercial dog foods but he also tells the puppy preschoolers to reduce the recommended serving size by a third for a desexed dog. The packets generally recommend a higher serving and don't mention about desexed dogs needing much less - because "they want to make money". So I can flat out ask him, is this best for my dog, or best for your profit and he will be honest. Some things are more about paying extra for convenience - or paying more for the ultimate care (eg titre testing and separate vaccinations are more expensive than getting one annual vax with the lot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zedandme View Post
    ok thanks guys, im gonna go with my gut and see a different vet next time... i admit, im not great at standing up for myself in awkward situations

    his diet is pretty much this and this is what i also told her.
    chicken wings, necks, crushed up carcasses (as he is only a pup, but that will change to whole carcasses when he is bigger) raw meaty bones from beef, lamb, pork etc. mince with vegies, 1-2 raw eggs a week, 1 tin of sardines per week, and i have just introduced offal 1-2 times a week.
    That's very similar to what I feed my pup and he's doing fine, the only difference is I add a bit of kelp powder.
    Veterinary colleges are partially funded by pet food companies and a lot of their dietary education comes from company reps so vets opinions can be biased, the vet may well be giving you what they feel is the best advice, but it doesn't mean it's the best.
    A lot vets have their pictures on bags of kibble or endorse products, when they do it can't be considered impartial advice. The same goes for the vet with a rack of kibble in the waiting room - their advice is filtered through commercial gain so it can't be considered impartial or unbiased.

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    In WA many vets here give 2 puppy vaccinations. Either at 8 and 12 weeks or at 6 and 10 weeks. The new age puppy vaccines should only need to be given twice. I then usually give one more annual booster 12 months later and then my dogs go on to the vaccine that only needs to be done once every 3 years.

    The maternal antibodies can negate the effect of the early vaccines at 6-8 weeks in many which is why a booster is required.

    By 12 weeks the majority of pups in the order of 98% +(from memory) are covered as by then the maternal antibodies no longer fight with the vaccine.

    Your vet probably thinks that the longer you wait to give the last vaccine the less likely there will be maternal antibodies around to negate the protective effects. Sounds very old school to me along with the 3 vaccines - shoudnt be neccessary.

    As to feeding, as long as the pup is getting a balanced diet and you have a good idea of the calcium phosphorus ratio and that you know you are fullfilling his calcium requirements, feeding him a raw diet is perfectly fine. There is plenty of written material to help you feed a well balanced raw diet to a pup.

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    oh and get this, she was telling me how funny it was that her dog got to a box of cadbury favourites, unrwapped 15 individual chocolates and ate them all (she was laughing), yet tells me that feeding a natural diet is bad??

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