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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    some internet sleuth actually totalled up the puppies he had listed on an export list and posted it
    Hypocrisy at it's best, why is this ok because the 'internet sleuth' revealed a large number of puppies.
    Yet when I reveal someone is doing the wrong thing on a small scale I am told I am prying?

    The smaller kennels sell to several brokers, if you were members of an ANKC body you would see the same names on the export list time and again, sometimes buying one or pups from a litter sometimes the entire litter, yet the ANKC makes out all breeders are breeding only to better their breed.
    Ahhh so it's the ANKC you have a problem with then? Exactly the same as CD did, I see why you are buddying up with them.

    All ANKC breeders know this, like it or not, they know they are a part of the biggest mill going, now, knowing this do you pet owners out there still feel like drawing and quartering poor CD who is not well apparently and ought not to be targeted by those doing a spot of cyber bullying in the name of dog welfare, not hard for some to look over their backyard fence, they are standing so deep in their own poo it makes the top and easy reach 'eh.
    Re-read this sentece petal, it makes no sense. I am a bully because I picked on CD for not health testing and breeding purely for coat color, yet I am part of a puppymill because i am a member of a club that promoted ethical breeding of dogs and has a code of ethics that members must abide by. If you are caught deviating from the code you can be booted from the club.


    By the way I am both an ANKC member and have cross bred dogs and breed cross bred dogs, so report that if you please, you will be told it is none of your business nor any business of the ANKC, so making calls about whether or not someone is registered is just prying, nothing more or less.
    Thankyou, I will. Once a complaint goes on a members profile, it is there for life, even if they aren't a current member.

    For those genuinely concerned about dog welfare new laws will soon come in in QLD that will stop most casual breeders, they will need to obtain a breeder number from Gvt. and will not be able to advertise in any Australian venue without one, they will also be held responsible for pups produced and all pups will be linked back to the mother, and of course the breeder. So no need to do a Foo over the fence and poke your nose into others back yards, it is all happening, just takes time.
    The law will only help a little, it will stop one off breeders, the ones who just want a pet out of their little fifi, but people like CD who breed several times a year for money will keep on doing it.

    And why is not more made of the fact that many registered ANKC breeders do not test at all and for many breeds they are not required to do any? double standards is right, there is not one totally trouble free breed yet many need not be tested.
    There are ANKC members who do not health test, true, but these days the more well known kennels, the ones who breed the best quality dogs DO most certainly test. Their reputation is one the line, why wouldn't they.
    The ANKC cannot operate properly unless there are people out there willing to DO SOMETHING about those problem breeders.
    They do not have a huge staff that go around checking everyones homes and dogs, they rely on people to "DOB OTHERS IN" so that they can weed out the SCUM.


    Yep, hang that darn CD.
    FINALLY we agree on something.

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    Minibull, You seem to be more bothered by whatever situation you have conjured up in your mind about us "picking on" CD than CD herself.
    You wanted to start a new topic about all of this after the other one was closed and you keep bumping the thread every time you respond to it with the same implications and accusations over and over about how hard done by CD is because of a few members don't like the fact that she was so hypocritical to say she doesn't like the "designer" breed names but was selling shnoodles or whatever they were.

    Most of us really don't give that much of a crap. She is one person out of many many people who are back yard breeders. It was the irony of it and the deception that brought attention to Crazy Dog. If she were always just honest about what she was doing then perhaps things would have been different and you wouldn't be feeling the need to defend her actions right now. Actually, if it wasn't Crazy Dog and just some random who came here and said they were selling designer pups from their back yards, I bet you wouldn't be defending that person. If everyone who had cute dogs bred from them just because they thought they were adorable and would sell, then imagine how full the pounds would be...Oh hang on.. that's what IS happening!!!
    Yes she loves her dogs and treats them well (allegedly, but who knows for sure when she has been caught out lying already) and claims to have them health tested, which could be anything from a 5 minute vet check to make sure of no cleft pallets or a full hip score, heart check and other costly checks a reputable breeder would get done.

    As far as breeders registered with the ANKC, there are ethical and non ethical breeders everywhere. Just because they may not be reputable, doesn't mean we should ignore the small guns. Every litter count. Every puppy counts. Every breeder counts. CD IS contributing to the larger picture.
    I'm not here to pick on her. She seems to understand the ramifications of her actions as she walked the walk and talked the talk for so long before our eyes were open to what she was really up to. I'm not going to waste my energy educating the educated. She has made an inform decision to be a BYBer.
    There's nothing more to it.

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    I swore I'd keep out of this...

    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    ... how hard done by CD is because of a few members don't like the fact that she was so hypocritical to say she doesn't like the "designer" breed names but was selling shnoodles or whatever they were.... It was the irony of it and the deception that brought attention to Crazy Dog. If she were always just honest about what she was doing then perhaps things would have been different and you wouldn't be feeling the need to defend her actions right now.... Yes she loves her dogs and treats them well (allegedly, but who knows for sure when she has been caught out lying already) and claims to have them health tested, which could be anything from a 5 minute vet check to make sure of no cleft pallets or a full hip score, heart check and other costly checks a reputable breeder would get done.
    Hold up a minute... what proof do we have that CD was anything but honest? What proof do we have she lied? What proof do we have of anything?

    Seriously?

    As far as I recall CD WAS honest about breeding cross breeds. She was also honest about no longer having ANKC membership (it's in a thread here someplace). And I seem to recall she was honest and admitted to the TM pups she sold. She stated she had had one TM litter and sold pups- Crested found advertisements for TM pups. All that proves is she had 2 TM pups for sale at one time- honest? dishonest? How would we know from that one shred of the whole fabric?

    Yes, CL found other advertisements that suggest CD was less than honest. But CD denied this. As far as I am concerned, before we accept anything as proof, CD has a right to reply and until then bandying about takes us nowhere.

    It seems pointless to me to even be having this backwards and forwards discussion when CD is not here to refute or accept responsibility for allegations made.

    Yes, I DO have an opinion, but in the absence of unrefuted facts and genuine proof, I'll hold it in the "to be considered" basket.

    If I might go waaaaaaaay out on a limb here, I'd like to make a few assumptions about the general population of forum members here (ie the majority and feel free to opt out if I've got you pigeonholed incorrectly);

    1. "We" like/ love dogs
    2. "We" care about/ are passionate about the welfare of dogs
    3. "We" would like to increase the overall welfare of dogs
    4. "We" see irresponsible breeding practises as a major hurdle to be overcome in increasing dog welfare

    I'll stand beside any member here to promote that message whether I agree with your other opinions or not. I'm happy to take my somewhat irrelevant personal opinions and put them on the backburner in light of a much greater good.

    I cannot see how we as a powerful population of dog lovers can be united in promoting dog welfare if we are too busy squabbling over an "endless thread"

    I'm pretty sure I'm quoting another member when I say that this forum is a bit amazing and saddening in the way that many dog associated threads get very few replies, yet a hot thread abusing people backwards and forwards can create pages! I dont know what other forums are like, I'm not a member of any.

    I submit that we focus on our real agenda; dog welfare. Whaddya reckon folks?



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    Quite true V&F, dog welfare would be advanced by people concentrating more on breed clubs or the ANKC bodies inspecting premises and interviewing would be breeders as they do in other countries, this would also ensure large commercial kennels are at least looking after their dogs, the GVT is supossed to be doing at least something toward that, it should have been done by the clubs or ANKC but better some body does something than no body.

    THEN one can start on the smaller fry, if indeed they are doing wrong by dogs, and just what is wrong or right is debatable too, but that needs another thread.
    Puggerup, I do have no respect for the ANKC generally, they are not doing all they could for dogs, their code of ethics is a joke, we still need them and I am not in the least throwing off in any way at all at good breeders.
    Nor am I suggesting that because thousands of pups are sold by these huge aformentioned kennels that they ought not to have the right to do it, they have just as much right to breed and sell where they like as anybody else does.
    I would however like to see controls in place to be sure of how those breeding dogs and puppies are treated, the code of ethics is not doing that, never has, never will.

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    Good post V&F and all very true.

    Just point out, I am a member of a number of forums and the ones with scraps in always get the most action LOL

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    I have no opinion whatsoever on the current status of CD and the associated pups. however I do have an opinion on what you have said Minibullsmum... I do not agree that the best way to advance dog welfare is to promote breed clubs at all. In my opinion, dog welfare is best promoted by DOING instead of talking, and making sure that your dog or dogs are 100% of their potential, then worry about the next dog, whether or not that dog is in a pet shop or an ANKC "puppy mill".

    The actions of many individuals, when joined together, are an indisputable force - just look at the recent events in Egypt - large actions are not necessarily the only way that things will get done. Education of the greater public into dogs, what is required to own a dog no matter where it comes from or who it's parents are, has to be the primary key. Removing that lassaiz-faire attitude of the general populace should be the primary aim for dog welfare.

    Taking one steps commences momentum, and if that one step takes out a small link from a large chain, then overall that chain is weakened. Take out many, many small links, and the chain is weakened further and further until it's function as a chain is no longer viable. One small link in a chain can have an equally unstabilising effect as removing a larger, stronger link. It is still removed, and therefore its value is immeasurable.

    We all live in glass houses. Eventually the stones we throw will come back, boomerang style.

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    Yep, we are just going around in circles.

    Some people support CD and will never change.

    Some people disagree with what they are doing and that will also never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Yep, we are just going around in circles.

    Some people support CD and will never change.

    Some people disagree with what they are doing and that will also never change.
    Then give it a rest .




    FFS! I probably should not be posting on this in light of my last few days but some of you are just way over the top and need to step away this whole topic.....forever.

    The ANKC is exactly what MB said it was,the biggest bluddy mill going.
    Ethics - because you're an ANKC member ?
    Reputable- because you're an ANKC member?
    Surely you jest....

    Crazy was perhaps one of the most dedicated to learning/ethical,reputable dog person I'm yet to meet amongst those that enter these forums.


    As for anyone who is not ANKC registered but breeding a litter ethicly and reputably,doing all the things with health testing/homing general health of dogs -pups being oh so "bad: ?

    Then you need to look much more closely at the world around you.

    After all.....shouldn't all us bully people be banned/slammed then? What ? You think we're just going to let BSL wipe out entire breeds and sit back doing nothing? Looks like we're all really,really bad......but then as we already dont give a rats about the ANKC because its such a joke...then we wont lose any sleep will we .

    And if this is so...then the vibes are right. Poor Morgan placed this here,has gone through the warfare and the ups downs and in betweens .....for nought. Absolute nought.

    This is a PUBLIC forum-set up for both CROSS and PURE.
    And as long as there is no personal slander or abusing going on then what the F is the issue here.If you dont like it p8ss off. Dont place a suicide thread anywhere on the board,simply dont come back.
    Not hard .

    And you all wonder why BSL was so easy to become law is so freaking hard to abolish.
    We are ALL agreed that the first and foremost here is the welfare of dogs.
    At the moment even the "purists" cannot stay united in front of what the almighty ANKC has pushing and yet you are here making a pariah out of a good 'dog' person.


    Christ,when I die I should be so lucky as to come back as one of CD's dogs .

    Get a grip people.
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    oh just one more thing- Crested if you class farming as excessive litters than you need to open your eyes and realise that upto as many 2 thirds of the general ANKC registered breeders of Australia are 'farmers.
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    Crazy was perhaps one of the most dedicated to learning/ethical,reputable dog person I'm yet to meet amongst those that enter these forums.
    Bahhahaha OMG, omg, please let me get me breath... Bhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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