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    That makes sence newfie & a poodle dose bond heavily with their owner.
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    Has nobody posted these yet?

    The original labradoodle breeder Wally Conran is sorry.
    Whose bright idea was that? | Science | The Guardian
    It took four litters to get one non-shedder that completed training. He also said they tried poodles but none were suitable. A huge number of labradors are also unsuitable. It's a genetic temperment thing mainly. The scientists at NSW uni have even found some correlation (link) between things like a dog's left or right paw'dness or the direction of the swirl on the chest and the likelihood it will become a guide dog.

    Pantone Poodles - Poodle Info - Whats in a Doodle?
    And this site offers some good pure bred alternatives for some of the oodles...

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    I was going through my local trader today(no idea why, it always makes me depressed), and always come across the most ridiculous ads.
    These are all legit, I haven't changed spelling or anything.
    I've highlighted my issues, and underlines breeds that arn't real!

    -Maltese ****zu X King Charles Cavalier puppy, 7 weeks, $350

    -King Chearles for sale one female, one male, 8 weeks, $500

    -Maltese ****u X, 7 weeks old, $350

    -Maltese X Shihtzu, female puppy, 6 weeks old, $485

    I know its a little off topic, but I like to vent these sort of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Has nobody posted these yet?

    The original labradoodle breeder Wally Conran is sorry.
    Whose bright idea was that? | Science | The Guardian
    It took four litters to get one non-shedder that completed training. He also said they tried poodles but none were suitable. A huge number of labradors are also unsuitable. It's a genetic temperment thing mainly. The scientists at NSW uni have even found some correlation (link) between things like a dog's left or right paw'dness or the direction of the swirl on the chest and the likelihood it will become a guide dog.

    Pantone Poodles - Poodle Info - Whats in a Doodle?
    And this site offers some good pure bred alternatives for some of the oodles...
    That second site is not very truthful, this is the problem you have 1 side saying a lot of rot & the other side with their own rot to say.
    Truth is crossbreeds can have less health issues but only if the parents are well choosen with health in mind.
    Truth is as many as 70% do have a non shedding coat but non shedding dose not always mean hypoalergenic. The real shedders are when you cross labs & beagles more than the smaller breeds.
    The biggest problem I see with the poodle x is the over breeding of them, the lack of real knowledge of a lot of the breeders & therefore not health testing their breeding dogs among other problem. I also have a problem with theses silly names & the money that goes with the silly names.
    Poodle breeders who think it lowers the value of their breed or that it gives the wrong immpression should just stick to their breeding programme & leave others to theirs. I think time will tell the story & that will be that the majority of these poodle x breeders are money motivated & nothing else.
    I would not dare cross a TM to say a Maremma & then call them Taremmas would I, as thats not what they are(no I never would just saying) & there is no way that the pups should hold a price tag higher than either purebreed parent.
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    I personally think the Pantone site is spot on, they are a very well respected kennel.

    But then again... you all know my stand on the issue (I'm sure I have harped on about my disgust for deliberate cross-breds enough) so I don't want to start another sh!t fight... just want to say that Pantone are not saying 'rot'.

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    I agree with aloy of your veiws creasted & the veiw I don't I'm not interested in rehashing either but I just think it's better to say it how it is.
    I am not saying it is a bad kennel & most info was spot on but some was a little extreme with % on the high side if not serching the truth.
    Hybrid Vigor dose exsist but not in the ways some beleive & the strenght added to feritilty & sometimes size prove it dose have an effect but only if the mated animals are of good quality themselves. This could be accieved but outcrossing within the breed also though & thats what I mean about telling it how it is.
    Give the whole truth not just whats the truth relevent to you & your stand or beleive on the subject at hand.
    Just my poinion in no way meant to upset anyone.
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    Truth is crossbreeds can have less health issues but only if the parents are well choosen with health in mind.
    Yes but you're far more likely to get health testing with the registered with the peak breed clubs that insist on it (not all do) to get the puppies registered, than with the puppy mill profit hungry breeders.

    I see those "hybrid vigor" dogs out there, two at my local park are BLIND, several have hip displasia and are severely lame or unable to move properly, almost all of them have dodgy teeth and jaw over or under hangs and problems with clean teeth.

    So the problem is people who market their dogs as having "hybrid vigor" just because they are a mutt, and without doing any of the genetic testing or follow up surveys on the health of the puppies they sell that they would need to do in order to back up their claim with fact.

    Outcrossing within the breed has been done (eg Dalmatians) but they did health tests on the parents and puppies...

    ANKC still has a long way to go as far as improving the health standards of their breeds but at least they're taking baby steps in the right direction. The puppy mills and irresponsible backyard breeders do not know or care.

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    I agree hybrid vigour is only as good as the parent health at is used in the breeding & what I wrote said the same amount of hybrid vigour can be found by outcrosssing within the breed in breeds with enough bloodlines available. So please do not thin k I beleive any outcross produces poitive hybrid vigour in the offspring.
    I have never once said that unresearched puppy mill type breeding would have any hybrid vigour positive outcomes.
    I agree that backyard breeeders puppymills are all about the money & not the animals health but I really hate that because of these type of breeders people are throwing out the whole concept of hybrid vigour as it is a very well researched proven fact.
    It is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
    I am not all against puredog breeders & breed my own purebreeds some of whom a reg some I don't. I do think some breed clubs are making changes & thank goodnes for it. But there are working dog clubs that have been breeding for health & preformance over breed standards for many years now & these are the type of clubs I'd rather assicate myself with these days.
    But that is just my choise & I understand why other choose breed rego.
    I can only go on what I have seen before my very own eyes in over 30 years of breeding a large range of livestock & pet/show animals & some in huge numbers & all multi generational herds & packs.
    I am not for indisremenant breeding or any form of bulk breeding & have stated how fraudulent I feel their marketing ploys are on a number of occasions. But I have to say there are just as many fraudulent claims made by reg puredog breeders on their websites & marketing also.
    I am just saying I think things get overstated & then no one really knows what the factual truth is anymore.
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    I am not all against puredog breeders & breed my own purebreeds some of whom a reg some I don't.
    Ummm.... you can't register your purebreds if you are breeding mixes... just sayin'.

    I do understand what you are saying with hybrid vigor existing if both parents are health tested... but it is the same with purebreds if both parents are tested.

    That is what I don't get about that side of the argument.

    The way the hybrid vigor myth started was that purebreds tend to have their own set of problems in each breed. So by mixing 2 breeds you don't double up on genetic problems and the puppies will be healthy.
    What they don't take into account is that a lot of genetic problems are shared between breeds, such as hip displaysia and PRA, so it makes no difference if they are mixes or not.

    Second generation 'hybrids' or mixed breeds are at even greater risk, as with the first cross they may not actually HAVE a genetic fault (such as PRA) but if one of the parents had it then they are 100% guaranteed to be a carrier.
    Put 2 carriers together and you have a whole litter affected.

    It works the same with purebreds... that is why I do not understand it when people bring up hybrid vigor... it only works for first generation, and even then it's 50/50.

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    Creasted,
    What do you mean I can not reg my pure litters because I breed some cross breed litters & am willing to back up any pure breds with DNA also.
    I totaly agree with you that the hybris higour myth of any 2 different breeds bred together will produce better quality health wise pups than a purebreed litter is total bull poo.
    Hybrid vigour as you say has been far blown out of proporation no doubt but it is a proven oucome of breeding unrelated bloodlines together but as I've said most pure breeds have enough diversity & depth of bloodlines to acheive the same outcome within their own breed.
    I wish more people understood the impact carriers can have on a breeding programe but many feel safe to use them with non carriers. I think there is still too much to learn to take these chanses unless it's a rare or endangoured breed for some reason.
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