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    Ok mod hat back on again...

    I am just about to close this thread. I don't want to see anymore judging anyones integrity.
    You can question if you like, but no-one has to answer anything if they don't wish to.
    This doesn't give anyone the right to ge aggressive or rude or defamatory.
    I have already suspended one member because of the way this thread has gone and if I have to do it again I will.

    Be warned.. think about what you are going to post before you press submit. Don't let your emotions rules your mouths/fingers.

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    Thanks for the explanation on DNA Hyacinth. It was very informative and I appreciate it. I can see how DNA might be used to determine lineage.

    I would have liked to see a response to my question, however, it seems it is not to be and possibly for good reason. So as not to incur the wrath of our Mods I will not divulge my thoughts again about the reasons behind the lack of response.
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    Anne and Peter,
    I did not answer the question of what dogs have been used and how because to do so precisely would mean posting their kennel names as well, in QLD you have to put papers with each pup, many do not do this particularly plainer Neo pups there are scads of well-bred but not typy Neos from imported and champion dogs, nature does always try to fight back, these dogs will still throw taller leaner plainer pups now and then and many choose to let those pups go with no papers, and some have given receipts for those pups so you do know what kennel they are from, all I needed was a service now and then so I simply used such dogs.

    Plus the black dog who came over from WA without papers, along with three Bandog bitches way back in the early 90's, no biggy but I doubt that to seekennel names of prominent show breeders thrown up here was quite what Anna wanted???

    These days there are enough of us with the lines we want to simply put Bandog to Bandog that is not the answer wanted either is it


    Hyacinth is quite right care factor for others opinions is not high, care factor for the health and wellbeing of my dogs is, I have no intention of adhering to a standard that is ruining the health of a great breed, you might as well go and try to get working sheep dog registries to follow your show standards for those, you will have just as much hope of success there as you have with me……….none.

    Anne, I do have more to do than rush to answer you, now that you understand the meaning of DNA profiles, if you want to take things further contact the CCCQ and arrange to have DNA checks done on all my registered dogs.

    You may then contact me and I will arrange for the DNA stored from years of breeding my Bandogs to be verified as soon as you pay for the same to be done, as long as it costs me nothing anyone is free to go right ahead any old time they like, until then talk is cheap.

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    You may have had 'more to to do than rush here to answer my question' but given that you posted not once, not twice but 3 times after I asked the question the first time, it seems you did have time.

    Perhaps I am slow, but why not humour me. You said;
    "all I needed was a service now and then so I simply used such dogs."

    I guess the best way to straighten the whole thing out is to give a 'yes' or 'no' response to these questions;
    - Have you put papered dogs of any breed over papered dogs of another breed?

    - Have you put papered dogs over unpapered dogs?

    As for taking things further, I have no intention of doing anything with the information but clarify statements made by you and others for my own personal satisfaction. I think you might have confused a statement made by someone else with my posts.
    Last edited by Anne; 03-23-2011 at 11:10 AM. Reason: Edited for clarity
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    I must admit I feel quite ambiguous about organisations like the ANKC and some of the affiliated breed clubs.

    They have a long way to go when it comes to putting the health and welfare of certain breeds first. Some breed clubs are way better than others.

    But if you think the breed standard is bad for the breed - then maybe it would be easier to get it changed from the inside with added pressure from the outside from University vets like Paul McGreevy and the media (who would need educating first). And in the meantime - you don't need to enter the breed shows until the standard changes.

    I'm not sure about the complete ban on outcrossing no matter what. Dalmations needed an outcross because they became too inbred and had an almost universal problem with urine crystals. And this was partly because one male dog became a super stud and ended up related to every dalmation litter (in the UK?). Bad. But how to fix it. I don't know, but there are some good ideas out there, its just that certain stick in the muds in the organisation need waking up.

    And I know how hard it can be to change an organisation like that. My dog club is like that. A whole bunch of people in charge of the curriculum who know nothing about operant or classical conditioning or fallout from the use of adversives or pain on a dog. Sigh.

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    Anne,
    I must admit you are a bit hard to get through to, if I am using others pure but unpapered dogs why would I use my own papered dogs, or to put it the other way around why go to the trouble of finding unregistered dogs when I have papered dogs here, it ought to go without saying, but to put the last final dot over the last final i for you.

    No, my papered dogs are totally separate, I have not used papered dogs over unpapered or crosses.
    I have bought Bandogs bred by others who have done this at times though.

    I know plenty of claims get made otherwise, but not one will ever back up their slander with facts, facts which are available in the stored DNA from so many dogs over the years
    I will not reply to you again your questions are just plain silly, if you want facts get them,I have offered to provide the material for you to do so yet still you come on with questions to which the answer is obvious.

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    I don't believe I am 'hard to get through to' but I believe you don't understand how to speak or respond in plain effective English. Communication in the written form may possibly not be your forte.

    This;
    No, my papered dogs are totally separate, I have not used papered dogs over unpapered or crosses. - is the first time you have stated anything plainly and simply and indeed the first time you answered the question directly.

    I asked for a simple 'yes/no' response in my last post in an effort to illicit a simple answer from you, but still didn't get it in that form anyway

    Simple plain English will always be understood more easily by most. Correct grammer and spelling will also help

    There is a one word statement that is often used - KISS - in the written world. It pays to use this method sometimes.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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