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    I have no problem with cross-breeding as long as it is done properly.... it costs literally thousands of dollars for some of the tests needed to responsibly breed dogs... people aren't going to do that with their $50 mutts they bought out the newspaper.

    There are some people out there who genuinely do these tests on cross-breds, good on them! But don't lie about doing the tests when you don't. If mutts ahd the same treatment as many purebred litters the price would skyrocket... purebreds aren't expensive just for the sake of it (not counting the irresponsible, bad purebred breeders).

    And yes, there are members of the ANKC who are not reputable, we have seen examples of it on this very site with a member buying a Rottweiler with a heart defect... but it is up to the buyer to investigate and find out what breeder is best. You wouldn't buy a car without test driving it. ANKC registered is a great thing to have, it means that if the breeder is CAUGHT they can be barred and fined, but they have to be caught first, and that's where the dog police come in, people like you and me who dob these bad breeders in.


    I don't think discussions like this scare anyone away, if anything it makes people aware of how important doing things the right way are. There are some horrible, horrible diseases that dogs can get that can be tested for, there is no need for dogs to go blind from PRA, there is no need for a whole litter of dogs to get HD by the time they are 5...
    The average pet breeder either does it for the money, or for cute little foo-foos, either way they aren't going to be spending all that money to stop their pups having PRA or HD, they probably don't even know what it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    TO be honest, I don't like liars BUT I can see why someone may lie in this situation.

    So someone breeds small fluffy mutts. And is mostly a responsible breeder. Then comes on a forum and sees the "viciousness" with which someone who breeds mutts is "attacked" (using quote marks because those arent really th words I am looking for, probably disdain is more acurate for the first) so they try and mak eout they are not the same.

    It wouldnt matter if they were responsible and did all the relevant checks on parents, the minute anyone says they breed cross breeds they are generally denigrated.

    My OH thinks british bulldogs are just the best thing since sliced bread. he cant wait to own one. However, he has said to me a number of times, he thinks they should have some out crossing done (not sure if right term) to make them less susceptible to the many issues they have due to how they have breen bred.
    Would this make anyone who did that a bad breeder? not IMO, it would most definitely be about bettering the breed I think because at the moment (as gorgeous as they are) they are not very sound as a general rule.

    So I really think its not about what is being bred, it is about responsibility and irrespnsibility.

    Without accidental litters/BYBers, I wouldnt have had any of my gorgeous dogs and life wouldnt have been quite the same without them (I grew up with purebreds).
    Lala you may not have had your special dogs but think of the thousands of dogs that would also have been spared the horrors of the pounds, the euthanaisia chambers and many preventable genetic dieseases if those thousands of accidental litters had been prevented.

    I for one have certainly never attacked breeders of small fluffy mutts with either viciousness or disdain. I have often pointed out that breeding because for example they believe that every bitch should have a litter to improve their temperament etc is actually false belief or pointed out that I hope they will do the health testing required, and for this I have often been treated with disdain by them, and you know they are going to breed their fluffy regardless of any of the information provided by people here. You know they will never health test or think any further about what they are breeding or doing, they will just breed.


    If only people were happy to learn and ask questions before breeding their fluffies or whatevers.
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    That's the issue Kalacreek, Crazydog is already educated on the consequences of cross breeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Lala you may not have had your special dogs but think of the thousands of dogs that would also have been spared the horrors of the pounds, the euthanaisia chambers and many preventable genetic dieseases if those thousands of accidental litters had been prevented.

    I for one have certainly never attacked breeders of small fluffy mutts with either viciousness or disdain. I have often pointed out that breeding because for example they believe that every bitch should have a litter to improve their temperament etc is actually false belief or pointed out that I hope they will do the health testing required, and for this I have often been treated with disdain by them, and you know they are going to breed their fluffy regardless of any of the information provided by people here. You know they will never health test or think any further about what they are breeding or doing, they will just breed.


    If only people were happy to learn and ask questions before breeding their fluffies or whatevers.

    I do think of the thousands of dogs like that, Barney is from the SPCA and I used to volunteer for them when I was studying. My first port of call when looking for a new dog is usually a shelter or pound, although that doesnt necessarily mean I get on from there but its always the first place I look for a new furkid.

    I agree with the rest of your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    That's the issue Kalacreek, Crazydog is already educated on the consequences of cross breeding.
    I wouldnt say the consequences of cross breeding. I would say the consequences of careless and irresponsible breeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    I do think of the thousands of dogs like that, Barney is from the SPCA and I used to volunteer for them when I was studying. My first port of call when looking for a new dog is usually a shelter or pound, although that doesnt necessarily mean I get on from there but its always the first place I look for a new furkid.

    I agree with the rest of your post.
    Yes I understand that, I was just making a direct comment on your statement that seemed to imply that lots of great dogs wouldnt exist without the accidental breedings. This may be true but it also carries a very heavy penalty for many thousands of other dogs.

    I myself have 2 rescues and 4 dogs from planned breedings that were carefuly placed and they are all great dogs, and there are many thousands of potential great dogs that will never get a chance to be a great dog. I would just like to see that minimised. The added bonus with my planned dogs is that if anything happens to me their breeders will give them safe haven, if my family cant cope.


    Puggerup - I totally understand how CD represented herself and also that there has been some conflict over the honesty of that representation but having missed all the links and identification of her it is not something I can really comment on directly in relation to CD. My post was a direct response to Lala

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    I have been told that in Holland dogs are not desexed unless there is a medical reason yet there, they have hardly any dogs in shelters, far fewer per head of population than we have here, it seems to be because of the attitude of the people, we need to look at this and see if there is not a few things to be learnt there that could be applied here.

    Dogs, no matter from where, will continue to be dumped as long as the people do not take dog ownership seriously.

    Denigrating certain people or practises does not work, has been done time and again and makes no difference.

    Until things change in this country, our pet only pups all go desexed, that way we at least know they are going to pet homes, my big guard breeds do not go desexed as many feel it would interfere with guard instinct to do it so early, one reason I do not breed them so often these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Yes I understand that, I was just making a direct comment on your statement that seemed to imply that lots of great dogs wouldnt exist without the accidental breedings. This may be true but it also carries a very heavy penalty for many thousands of other dogs.

    I myself have 2 rescues and 4 dogs from planned breedings that were carefuly placed and they are all great dogs, and there are many thousands of potential great dogs that will never get a chance to be a great dog. I would just like to see that minimised. The added bonus with my planned dogs is that if anything happens to me their breeders will give them safe haven, if my family cant cope.


    Puggerup - I totally understand how CD represented herself and also that there has been some conflict over the honesty of that representation but having missed all the links and identification of her it is not something I can really comment on directly in relation to CD. My post was a direct response to Lala
    Yep understand that.

    And wouldnt it be fantastic is all people who bred a litter took them back. Unfortunately that is not the case and I have seen many a purebred roll through a shelter or a breed rescue.

    I think ti minimise this problem, breed restrictions need to be placed on everyone. Both breeder and buyer.

    But I dont think it's a "cross breeding" issue. I think it's an ignorance issue both on breeders parts and buyers parts. I don't think the breed or cross breed of the dog affects this at all.

    I wasnt implying loads of neat dogs owuldnt have been round without it, I was imlying my neat dogs wouldnt have been LMAO

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    I also agree that it is not just a cross breeding issue. It is a general breeding issue. It is an ethical breeder issue, combined with a buyer issue.

    Most people have no understanding of either.

    I am sure I didnt when I was buying my first dog. It is something I have become aware of primarily after my third purebred dog had major genetic and temperament issues and a close friend had both her pet shop cross breed pups euthaniaised one for severe hip dysplasia and one for severe temperament issues, she now has a cat after her catastrophic experience with her first and only two dogs.

    I am now very careful about the breeders I get my dogs from. I also have a good look at rescue dogs on offer, although these days my requirements are specialised as I require working dogs from proven lines.

    Interesting about the desexing and guard dogs. The best protector dog I ever had was a cattle dog desexed at 6 months old. She was absolutely amazing and could read any situation and she saved my life once when someone had bad intentions on a remote beach.

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    Thank you for that info about your dog KC, however we desex at about 8 weeks and most buyers who want to be sure their dog remains protective are not keep to have a puppy desexed so erly, I am not sure of how they would go either, I guess the only way to find out is do one or two and place them in homes and just see what happens.

    We have had no ill-effects from desexing our little blokes early so far and have done quite a few over quite a long period.

    Now that DNA testing is so affordable there is really getting to be no excuse for anyone selling a dog not to do it, cross or pure, if a few of those who do not take all possible precautions get hauled into court when new laws come in (fair trading will then be involved with deliberate wrong doing or even if all due care in breeding is not taken) we might see the health of dogs in general improve.

    I rather hope so, re-united a lost Shar Pei with his owner last week, this dog is nearly blind, and I found out it is from the way they are bred, pups often need an op before they go to stitch eye lids up so they do not rub on eyes, he had not had this done and also had cherry eye.

    His owners had not been told about any of these potential problems and did not understand how serious it was although they said they had been arranging to get his eyes done when they lost him, I do hope that was no furphy!

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