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  1. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson View Post
    What I do have a problem is misinformation and " fairy tales".
    You sound like you DONT know much at all about Neapolitan Mastiffs.

    Unless you lived outside of Australia you did in fact NOT know of any Neapolitan Mastiffs that scaled 8 ft fences as the first ever Neapolitan Mastiffs in Australia was in 1992 in Perth and NO they did not scale any sort of fences as I actually had a pup from that very first litter

    It is achievable to have "Typey" "Correct" Neapolitan Mastiffs who can do more than 2 laps of a show ring, I have many Australian Ch who can come on 3 km runs with me. What is not desirable is people who have less than correct Neapolitan Mastiffs using the "Lab X Dane " Look as a the real Neapolitan Mastiff because maybe these people do not have the resources to get healthy "Typey" Specimens imported.

    I Do have a problem with people on these forums being self proclaimed experts on a breed, when they have excuses for why this or why that because maybe they have less than breed standard TYPE !

    A perfect example of the breed standard is Caligola Di ponzano lived till 9 was super fit and functional and LOOKED like Mastino Neapolitano !
    I do know what I am talking about & have veiwed Neo's here & abroad.
    The second Neo bitch I bought in the early 90's her father could & did in front of me scale a huge fence. But he was what you call of poor type as he had longer legs & not as much wrinkle.I have the resoucers to import but do not like much I am seeing abroad atm anyway.
    Well like I said show us your dogs & how they jog 3 km.......
    Beleive me when I say I am well traveled & this is not my first ride so to say with the neo breed in general.
    Neapolitain Mastiffs where not what they are today & there are plenty of pics to prove it.
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    There are three methods or "tools" used for breeding and all have there place.
    Inbreeding / line breeding/ out cross/ . Inbreeding has been used for years by the cattle industry and horse racing industry to keep desirable positive genetic traits going.
    The Angus cow was set in type by ONE bull back years ago and are one of the healthiest breeds of cattle around, lions and Tigers have been doing this forever with out any human intervention where are only the strongest and smartest survive.
    Inbreeding should only ever be used though by the most experienced of dog breeders who have been breeding for years and years, I have not used this method but by no means am I knocking it, it has its place.

    Line breeding is NOT inbreeding, it is a method used a lot by breeders of all types , cows , horses , canines etc and has proven to be a reliable healthy way of keeping type and health in a specific blood line.

    Out cross / Another great tool for breeders to freshen up blood and bring in Hybrid Vigor but can cause serious problems if done generation after generation in losing type and watering down a line, can also bring a combination of unforeseen health problems , a very useful handy tool though in correct breeding.

    As you can see all three have there place with line breeding mixed with outcrossing being probably the most used and safest method, there are over 300 million genetic possibilities in any one pairing.

    Hope this helps .

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    Thats great but show us your dogs.
    I have breed livestock & pet/show animals for over 30 years & am well verused on the differnce of line breeding, in breeding & out crossing & have stated all can have there place but I prefer to out cross as much as possible.
    I did a 15yr linebreeding programe with sheep & alpacs for 10yrs & I was not happy with the outcomes. Dept of Ag was part of the study & it was done well.
    So show us your fit Neo's hay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Thats great but show us your dogs.
    I have breed livestock & pet/show animals for over 30 years & am well verused on the differnce of line breeding, in breeding & out crossing & have stated all can have there place but I prefer to out cross as much as possible.
    I did a 15yr linebreeding programe with sheep & alpacs for 10yrs & I was not happy with the outcomes. Dept of Ag was part of the study & it was done well.
    So show us your fit Neo's hay.
    Relax i will show you my dogs , If you are the lady who breeds the TMS from Tasmania you have seen my dogs and commented on how nice they where I have also seen your TMS and show with TMS all the time here and YOU know who with So I think you know who i am now.

    Still have a problem with self proclaimed experts I have actually lived and breathed the breed for over 16 yrs and not a "Johnny come lately" or a pretender !

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    I am not Kathryn from Tas.
    I have some related dogs though.
    I have no beef with you personally & welcome any new Neo owners as it gives me photo's to drool over but if you have a beef with anyone here keep it between you & them. As the person you are beefing at has never named any Neo bloodlines on this forum in a bad light & only ever offers her opinion without berating others for their's. So many here will not like to see her taken too in such a public way, you have a PM link for private messages & should use it for such issues.
    So now lets get back on topic because it is a great topic.
    I used to use linebreeding alot & there are still some breeds where the bloodlines are so limited that there really is no choose when setting type & wanting to pass certain traits on but most breeds have enought bloodlines now that there is another way.
    If you study your pedigrees & results of mixing different family lines & complete outcross lines for long enough you get an eye for it & a felll for what goes with what so to say. If you know the breeding outcomes of crossing certain bloodlines you should be able to pick a dog of complete outcross bl;oodlines to acheive what your wanting with the litter type, health & temperment wise. Nothing is 100% with breeding & we will always get surprices but this method is as workable as linebreeding to get the same results.
    Also is it right to try & make every dog born within a breed so simalar if not identical. I know this is what a breed standard is all about but I think you risk losing many great traits on the way to your desired kennel of 10 mini mes if you get too stuck in always breeeding with the goal of producing a dog that looks excastly as the stanard says. Really I fear we will lose the individualism of our dogs if we can not exsept different types within a breed. My TM's are a great example 1/2 want the smaller nepalan type TM as the standard & the other 1/2 want only the giant guardain of tibet type as the standard. Who ends up missing out the dogs.
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    Negative Recessive Traits Midgard Kennels

    Interesting read, have not read it fully myself but am off to do so see what you think of it guys & girls.
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    Canine Genetics - Chimera Kennels

    I am just reading it is in depth but so far correct.

    A far simpler take on the subject but a far article.
    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/inbreeding.htm
    Last edited by crazydog; 02-21-2011 at 10:04 AM. Reason: add another link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Negative Recessive Traits Midgard Kennels

    Interesting read, have not read it fully myself but am off to do so see what you think of it guys & girls.

    Interesting read thanks .

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    Before anyone say anything about whatever dogs each website are breeding thats not what the links are about. I choose those links as they where well written by qualified persons on the subject & well reserched, nothing else.
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    Sort of operational again, but still freezing, so keeping it short, will start another thread when I get time which proberbly will not be before mid March, this person who has hi jacked the thread is not putting up much actual info on Neos, nor, I notice has he or she had the guts to identify themsevles.

    It will take me some time for me to A fix 'puter and B look up some info I have to make sure it is all spot on, and I have a few things to do too,dogs come first, not forums but for those who have, or my be interested in Neos I will put up more info not usually available.
    I would not do this had this person not started this, it has never been my intention to even appear to 'push' my own dogs, but such an attack does deserve to be redressed.

    Until I get to do so more fully, consider this, it is known that the Italian farmers who were guardians of this breed prior to a pommy and a few Italians deciding to comercialise them, had kept them very much to themselves for many hundreds of years, yet, we are here told by some unidentified soul what is the 'correct Italian type' after only sixty odd years of breeding, the commercial Neo is better than the real working dogs the Italians kept to themselves for hundreds of years ???

    Only breeder I ever knew in Tassie years ago in the 1990's had only inbred dogs, brother sister matings and so on and on, that you old mate???, don't just show us your dogs throw their pedigrees up too, from way back then.

    I will be baaaaaaaaaaaack

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