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    If you could pay by credit card, you could ask for your money back from the credit card.

    With cash - it's harder for you to prove you gave her any money or get it back.

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    I dont know this breeder or how ethical they are or not.

    I will say this about inbreeding and linebreeding. Close breeding in sheepdogs is common as many attributes are being selected for at once. Several genetisists have commented that more opportunities are lost by inbreeding when inbreeding would be advisable than are lost by too much inbreeding. One of the top sheepdog breeders says that the exceptional ability of many top dogs has been wasted by fear of close breeding.

    A breeder can calculate the dogs level of inbreeding by various mathematical formulas that the top breeders are well aware of.

    Inbreeding can be used responsibly to really select for and enhance the most desirable traits.

    It is a tool that is extremely important in a breeding program but needs a deep understanding of genetics and the heritable traits and lethality of certain genes.

    Obviously a top sheepdog breeder does not breed for colour!

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    Yes but they would not go as close as father to daughter I would hope. Because you can fix traits without breeding that close.
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    Only accepting cash would be so she can write less on her tax form.

    Quite a lot of "breeders" sell pups for 3k like she has and because there is no proof of how much money she has received, she can put on her tax form that she sold them for $500 each and the government is none the wiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Yes but they would not go as close as father to daughter I would hope. Because you can fix traits without breeding that close.
    From what I have read it is about enhancing traits rather than fixing them. Apparently there was an experiment that ran for 20 generations where they bred full siblings rats to each other and selected only the best to breed. Apparently a race of rats was developed that were bigger stronger and more fertile and longer lived than the original stock. So it was inbreeding plus selection. But you have to know what you are doing.

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    Dogs are not rats & you can enchanse traits using grandparents not sisirter to brother or father to daughter. Even 1/2 siblings is better than that.
    I'd love a link to the rat study it sounds very interesting.
    I have breed cattle, sheep, horses, dogs & alpacas & have exsperimented with different inbreeding & found although results can be positive it tend to come back to bite you further down the line with lower fertility & poor head(with the sheep) & other faults like losing pregnacies.
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    This type of inbreeding is suposed to be stopped in QLD now, so how she got permission to it would be good to know, I am wondering if that litter really is going to be registered.

    It is true about the setting of desirable traits Zedandme, but it is also true that it sets a few nasty little genetic mines waiting to blow up and wreck future offspring from those lines as well, best avioded unless there is really good reason to do it and not just to breed a good looking dog either but really good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Dogs are not rats & you can enchanse traits using grandparents not sisirter to brother or father to daughter. Even 1/2 siblings is better than that.
    I'd love a link to the rat study it sounds very interesting.
    I have breed cattle, sheep, horses, dogs & alpacas & have exsperimented with different inbreeding & found although results can be positive it tend to come back to bite you further down the line with lower fertility & poor head(with the sheep) & other faults like losing pregnacies.
    No but rats are used to make medical breakthroughs in human medicine so I would doubt it is too dissimilar the comparison.

    If you google Wistar Institute and Dr Helen Dean King who did the research, you should be able to find the info.

    What I am saying is that inbreeding has its place if you understand what you are doing. Some of the most successful and experienced working dog breeders worldwide use inbreeding and knowing the quality of some of the dogs they produce I dont doubt iin the right hands it works well.

    When you read how they do it and mathematically calculate how ****zygous a cross is likely to be, and test it, it is highly complex and among the traits they are looking to cement, health, stamina and fertility is always placed highest on the list of priorities.
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    Hmm

    I might be dropping a line to the ATO and mentioning this is a cash only business, how many puppies she has and what she's asking for them.

    Useful information you can provide us

    You could probably do it anonymously - if you're really keen on being anonymous it would mean going to an internet cafe, creating a gmail account specially and sending the info from there.

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    If this breeder is accredited then the kennels should have been inspected by an independent member of Dogs QLD

    Surely things cannot be as bad as painted here, or, if they are then the breeder accreditation scheme of Dogs QLD means absolutely nothing, not that I ever took it to mean much, but ill housed dogs with pups dying ?

    Also do not see how an inbred litter is being registered when friends of mine wrote a long letter to Dogs Qld to explain why they wanted to do a father daughter mating, and did not get permission to do it from Dogs QLD, and their reasons had nothing to do with breeding for colour or big heads.

    This actually needs following up if it is all correct.

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