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Thread: Petition Against New Greyhound Racing Track

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    I certainly dont see a problem with greyhound racing and to use the gambling card is clutching at straws for what i believe is your hatred of the sport.
    Other dogs love thier agility comps etc.., even show comps (which personally i despise more than racing), if betting was introduced in these would it to become a cruel sport.
    If you look at general pure dog breeding it too is cruel in many ways
    Where would a hatred of the sport come from, though? I hate it because of all the reasons I and others have considered here - I think if you look at it without looking at the gambling aspect, you're being extremely shallow. I completely agree that if you introduced betting into other animal sports they would follow the same path. Remove the gambling aspect, and you remove the fundamental premise and motivation for a great many people, and would end up with a much less cruel sport.

    As Molly said, the greyhounds taken in by greyhound rescue organisations are from pounds and shelters. Also, to put a dog through the GAP program costs the owner money. Some are prepared to pay, as is evidenced by the fact that the program exists. Others aren't, and therein lies the problem.

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    So you think by banning this track all the problems go away??

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    Of course not, I'm not that stupid or naive! But there is no way in hell I support expanding it! I oppose the expansion and encouragement of the industry. It follows that I oppose the development of a new track.

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    Well for your sake i hope you succeed, but for the MAJORITY of the community who accept it i hope you dont.
    Sorry just so over minorities pushing thier thing.
    As others said whats next equestrians, trotts, harness racing etc etc. Have you tried banning fishing i hear thats cruel too?

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    Molly, these are expensive dogs we're talking about. A weak, unhealthy dog won't win races. Im sorry, I have more experience with TBs, but im sure its the same for Greys.
    It costs me approx. $5000 to care for my TB, that gets ridden 3 times a week, what I would call lightly(1 hour, 60% trotting, 20% cantering, 20% jumping). Agistment, farrier, dentist, vet, worming, feed etc.
    My QH is no where near that, maybe $1000
    The first year of owning my TB cost approx. $8000(rugs, equipment etc.)
    This is a 2nd grade horse, that makes no money for me.
    The year my horse was born, his sire's stud fee was $27,000.
    These are EXPENSIVE horses. They are not treated like crap. They are treated better than any other paddock pony(including my boy).

    As i said earlier, its not the race that should be petitioned against, its about what happens to them after they leave the track.
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    I'm not talking about horses. I have been around greyhound rescue and know many, many foster carers for a few years now. I have some clues.

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    I cannot believe a dog forum that has no compassion for a breed that has been used and abused.

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    I cant believe you think no one here has any compassion, we are here because we love dogs.
    Greyhounds arent that much different to the rest of the dogs in rescues, the same could be said about all breeders across the board, do we ban people breeding pedigree dogs because a few do the wrong thing??
    Instead of just wanting to ban everything what about suggesting options that may prevent cruelty yet allow the sport to continue i mean this is not some backyard dogfight this is a major industry that employs thousands and contributes to the economy.
    Sorry you will never get my support just banning something without even offering alternatives.
    How would you feel tomorrow if a minority came along and closed down your business because there were some rogues amongst it, and it was all you knew??? How would you feel being punished for others doing the wrong thing when youve strived to do the right thing????

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Wow you people certainly live next to some cruel people.
    As for greyhounds being fed crap, are you serious??? What dog would be competitive being fed crap? Lets keep it factual.
    I certainly dont see a problem with greyhound racing and to use the gambling card is clutching at straws for what i believe is your hatred of the sport.
    Other dogs love thier agility comps etc.., even show comps (which personally i despise more than racing), if betting was introduced in these would it to become a cruel sport.
    If you look at general pure dog breeding it too is cruel in many ways
    I don't just live next door to some cruel people but have grown up within the TB race industry so know more than your average jo blow about what goes on within the sport of competive TAB racing. I lived for 3 years emearged in the greyhound breeder/trainer side of things when I ran a pet food suupply place near Londonderry. They do cut many corners when feeding greyhounds, you have to know 80 odd % of your racers don't come from top standard trainer/kennels. You'd be surpriced what **** they bulk their feed ouy with & their non racing hounds substain on a diet of cheap dry bits & weetbix.
    I have no hatred of the sport & as I have stated here I am not even calling for a ban just reform. I loved my trotts & gallopes & am geneticly predisposed to like it too I guess but after seeing the things I have ssen from an insider veiw I can not say it's all fine & the animals are treated as high class athletes because thats bull at least more than half the time. You'd be surpriced how little some trainers do to get a animal ready to race 7 this is why we have so many ligament & tendon damaged accisated with racing animals. They are not even gotten race ready nevermind treated as a top class athlete. It may surprice you to know some hounds & TB's are marked as losers from day 1 & only raced to rig racers for betting advantage.
    I totaly agree that some dog breeding is also cruel & although I don't show myself anymore & dislike the whole deal that goes along with some show breeder/owners you can hardley put it in the same catergory due to the shear numbers breed each year in the name of racing. I am not a animal activist like some posters & have had an insiders veiw via growing up in a family of TB owner/ breeders & trainers & beleive me these animals have it bad more times than not.
    I also think any betting on any sport dose change the morals assicated with that sport but I hardley think the TAB & betting are the biggest monster out there as far as racing animals go. It's mainly your trainer/breeders that are only motivated by money that really cause the missery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Well for your sake i hope you succeed, but for the MAJORITY of the community who accept it i hope you dont.
    Sorry just so over minorities pushing thier thing.
    As others said whats next equestrians, trotts, harness racing etc etc. Have you tried banning fishing i hear thats cruel too?
    Just because society accepts it dose not make it right by any means.
    Dogs make everyday life enjoyable...........

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