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    We used to sell hay to this guy who was breeding stumpies & alot seemed to be born with full tails & what he called rumpies which where 1/2 tailed dogs. Also seemed to be a few deaf pups showing up. He is still using the same male who produced the deaf pups as he says the gene pool is too small to desex him over a couple of deaf pups. I tried to tell him about reccesive genes etc but like a few other old timers he just wont beleive any sceincantific studies.
    Is there so few stumpies?
    Are they not just a line of bobtailed ACD's left over from the days of using Smithfield bob tailed herding dogs in the development of the ACD?
    I can see they have a more brick shaped head, slightly more athletic in build(longer in the leg than most ACDs) & their coats seem not quite as thick & dense as the ACD but you do have to look hard to see the difference really & a non dog breeder may not see the differnce other than a missing tail in some cases.
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    There are not a lot of them CD and only in the last few years have they began to be recognised, probably going to be the end of them as useful dogs.

    The old timers would keep those tailed dogs in the breeding kennel and put them over stumpies, the idiots running the show lines have now decided that they will only register the stumpies, and dogs with no dark patches on their heads, they are getting one in four born deaf, so old mate is right and doing better than they are if he has only had a couple, it is not a proven theory but many old breeders believe that the reason white dogs, or dogs with little pigment on their heads are deaf is because to hear you need to have these little hairs inside of ears, they move soundwaves along or some such, in white headed dogs,or dogs with little pigment (no black patches on head ) there are so few of these hairs that some are deaf.

    Not a proven thing as far as I know, but one would wonder at those in charge of the gene pool totally ignoring what may well be proven to be true at some stage.

    As far as tails go it is already a proven thing that short tail to short tail produces spinal faults but they decide in their wisdom to 'better' the breed to go that way,dogs with spina bifida should still work 'eh.

    Even the Manx cat people put stumpies to rumpies or rumpie risers not stumpy to stumpy, only in the dog world does crap float so well it rises above all common sense.

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    Makes sence to keep the longer tailed dogs to me for breeding as I did wondered about spinal issues.
    So he was right to say a few pups out of say 30 odd where good enough to breed on with that line. I was not sure what the numbers of pure stumpies where.
    Another old fella I know breeds ACD's & gets a stumpy tailed pup in every few litters & he swears the ACD of old did breed both with & without. Dose anyone know if this is true?
    I have heard from many old timers that the stumpy tailed pups where the hardest hitting & had great stamania.
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    Now that is one of the better posts
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    Boris...papered stumpie tail.
    The sire of the pups whose mother I took on when heavily pregnant.

    He was over here for the day whilst father in Law was in town so he would not be crated in the shed all day. Unfortunately he is a cat killer so he had to be kept chained.

    Different story now that I have the good set up out the back and FIL is talking about constructing a pen there...woohoo.

    He was abused, sent back to the breeder and FIL got him. He absolutely is frightened out of his wits with women but is a total sook with hubby and FIL.




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    Nice dog............
    Do you see a big difference between the 2 ACDs in temperment & work drive?
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    My father in law is very pleased with both him and his offspring x Jessie. We were told that Pretty's sire was a BC (x maybe, don't know)
    Very similar.

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    Found this online a better explanation than I could give, I did know but forgot to mention a lot of pups die before birth one reason why litters are often small in stumpies, does make you wonder at the reasoning behind breeding only stumpy tail to stumpy

    This dominant genetic mutation is responsible for a natural shortening of the tailbone. The mutation causes a shorted tail or absence of tail to occur. There are various levels of severity that occur, from almost no tail to a shortened tail. Although in itself it poses no health concerns, in the case of a ****zygous dominant dog, the allele becomes lethal in the embryonic stage and the affected dog does not survive. Breeding NBT dogs can be high risk. Natural Bob Tail is a dominant trait, which means that it only requires a single copy of the NBT gene in order to express the trait. The problem arises when a dog received 2 copies of the gene (1 from the sire and one from the dam), its called ****zygous. When it occurs, the gene becomes lethal and the affected pup dies (usually in the embryonic stage). Rarely other spinal cord abnormalities can form which are not usually compatible with life.

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    Thanks Minibull.
    You know he's biggest litter I have seen/know about was only 5 pups & 1 died, so maybe thats why. He's been all but giving away the longtails & all his breeders are stumpy tailed.
    A horse friend of mine got a tailed bitch from him, great looking dog but has too much frosting through her coat. Very narky bitch with any stangers. Smart & tough as boots worker though.
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    True Stumpy tails do not have any tan markings like the ACDS. Interesting about the genetics of the stumpy tail.

    I never really know what the big deal is about the tail or lack thereof. I am more interested in the health of the animals, so breeding safely for the stumpy tail should be a priority. Maybe the gene pool is so small because they culled many of the long tails once and kept breeding stumpy to stumpy?

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