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    Exclamation Intersting Article on What It Takes to Set a Type in Breeds.

    Creating A New Breed · by Dr. Carmen Battaglia

    good read, got me thinking about a few things.................
    another interesting link at bottem of page I linked above
    Last edited by crazydog; 01-09-2011 at 10:19 AM.

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    Thanks for posting. Will read later.

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    Is a good one. Thanks for posting.

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    I only had a skim through for now but it looks interesting...

    At first I saw the way they were talking about basically how much money you can make from breeding and I thought "here we go" but the article actually looks very good.

    The more than 160 AKC-recognized breeds each took decades to develop. It is folly for breeders to think they can create, in a few years, what it took others a lifetime to accomplish. For these reasons, creating a new breed should be left to those with the necessary skills, time, resources and determination.
    good read, got me thinking about a few things.................
    Like not breeding cross-breds any more? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I only had a skim through for now but it looks interesting...

    At first I saw the way they were talking about basically how much money you can make from breeding and I thought "here we go" but the article actually looks very good.




    Like not breeding cross-breds any more? lol
    not quiet, lol...............
    But then again I'm not into 1 off x's............
    The link at the bottem of the page to How to breed better dogs is even better & has heaps of info & links.

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    One of the most prominant books on the second link reminds me of a very old book with that name ("Breeding Better Dogs" by Battaglia) or a name very close to that, cannot remember the author now but read it a long time ago it advised how one should go about inbreeding to create better dogs.

    I did not like the fellows ideas at all, might have been the go in his day but not what geneticists advise today, I am wondering if this is the same book ? anyone read it?

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    I am not sure but thought it may be that book or simalar...........
    I think what he's adviseing is way to inbreed myself too because it maybe be ok in 1 or 2 generations but I can see breeds getting very bottled necked gentic wise in time.
    It is an interesting read though.................

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    I found the article interesting but I don't see how it addresses the problem of "neighbours" who decide to become "breeders" and make "labradoodles" because they're popular.

    People who don't know any better still buy the thingy x poodles. And they still buy from pet shops.

    So telling them that they won't be recogised by the show dog people isn't making any difference - they don't care. It just makes the show dog registry vulnerable to competition if these outsiders set up their own registry - and I've heard of that happening ie labradoodle x labradoodle - being called "pure bred" and given papers - the sort I could print out at home - as well.

    Be afraid - very afraid - it's going to be known as an "Australian Labradoodle" because an Australian made the first one (which he has since profoundly regretted), and the Americans will get it recognised by their association first.
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    The whole article is more about inbreeding, setting types & not so much about designer breeds although dose touch on it.
    I agree that it wont stop them & why should it as I don't even like dealing with our Aus cainine reg ass myself for pure breds.
    The only thing that will stop irrespondsable breeding is buyers getting better educated & actully giving a toss.
    I have nothing against x's & think there is a place for it but not as a fashion statement like these designer breeds are. Or for money motivated goals either but not many poeple breed just for the love of trying to get it better everytime as I & a few others do.
    All my animals cost me & I always think when I hear about poeple opening studs & kennels, wow hope your've got big pockets,lol.
    To me if they are truely making real money then the animals must be missing out somewhere along the track.

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    A very interesting read, Crazy. I do have to point out, though, they are incorrect about the reason the white Dobermann is undesirable and disallowed; the recessive gene for white colour in Dobes is known to carry with it genetic mutation which causes all manner of health problems, and the Z list for white Dobes and carriers was created for this reason, not just because white is not a good colour for a working Dobe.

    Each time we get a new member here with a 'doodle' or 'poo' or 'alier' we have the same old arguments about breeding... I wonder if this article should be 'stickied'? I, personally, don't have an issue with responsible breeders- pure or cross- but it does seem to me that a large amount of breeding is done for all the wrong reasons.

    When I bought Flirtt, the FIRST thing people said to me was 'oh, you're going to breed', and my response of 'no, they're both desexed' always brought surprise. Just because I have two purebred dogs does not automatically mean I am going to improve the Dobe gene pool by creating Villain and Flirtt babies!!! Surely this logic applies to everyone, whether they have pure or cross?? I mean, don't we have to ask ourselves what our reasons are for breeding first, before we go ahead and bring more puppies (or kittens or any animal) into the world?

    Makes me wonder how long before we get Doberpoos, Doberdoodles and Doberliers....

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