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    Hello again Layla! Been pondering on something you said re breeding to "type" or not..whether not abiding by 'the rules' is either OK or not. What I am about to put forward here has as much to do with just about anything people choose to do as it has to do with breeding 'typey' or 'non typey' dogs of any breed. I am putting this forward because I admire anyone who chooses to rectify something/anything that is so glaringly, obviously 'not ok' or, if you like - 'wrong'....because the unsavoury, unhappy, painful, unhealthy, pitiful...(use as many adjectives as you like) consequences of it are staring us in the face, and because it becomes so crystal clear that something needs to be done......(at least people who can diferentiate would and do draw this conclusion).
    The children's story of The King's Invisible Clothes applies here. Those who have the conscience and the eyes to see will see the "not ok" - the selfish, unconscuonable will never see because they cannot or do not wish to see. The simple question is - Who are the self-appointed bodies of any organisation to do with anything who set the standards, and are we all going to follow like a bunch of mindless, unthinking ninnies?
    With regard to breeding dogs...anyone who can see abuses and wishes to alleviate any pain or health issues that have arisen because of these, and whose aim it is to breed a healthier, happier, fitter version through years of selectiveness...and much heartache as well, in order to return a breed to what it originally was, capable of all that it could originally accomplish, is obviously somebody who can SEE and is willing to DO, notwithstanding the cost in pride and self assertiveness and ridicule...from those who are the self-appointed "type-setters", despite their attempts to discredit. The next questions are:What are all the rules on "standards" for? Who says they are OK? Are they OK and who determines the...OK-ness? In anything, including dog breeding, morals and ethics are what dictates "OK". The old Pagans had one rule of life: "Harm None and do what theou wilt". The Hypocratic Oath of doctors ( based on the rules set out by the ancient Pagan philosopher and healer Hipocrates) begins: "First Harm None"! I believe that this is the only guage of whether anything, including dog breeding practises, is OK. Its up to each individual to do what they see as what will cause no harm and as a consequence, what will do a hellava lot of good! I love bulldogs too! Somebody needs to dedicate their life and money to returning the bulldog to what it was supposed to be...a dog that, despite its stature, could bring down and hold a bull on the ground! The purpose for doing this to the breed should have a beneficial aspect for the breed and for the service it is required to provide to mankind today. Bulldogs are wonderful dogs. Anyone who has one would want it to live much longer than they do today...as long as they used to live. So WHO will step up for the benefit of the bulldog? Anyone willing to dedicate their life to bringing back the breed to its original vigour? Anyone? See my point? What does no harm but a lot of good is OK. What harms, perpetuates harm and suffering is NOT OK. Simple! Here endeth the rave about OK and not OK...Thanks Lala for provoking this reflection and confirming me in my beliefs about...everything! WOOF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    Awwwww Cielodog, that brought a tear to my eye, a beautiful story of a beautiful breed.

    I know a Neo called Theo, he is blue. He comes from near Bright, Victoria, where there is a vet who breeds them. He is a lovely lad
    Hello newfsie...do you breed or do you have Newfoundlands? I saw one for the first time in 1976 in what was then a quiet little fishing place in NSW called Woolgoolga Beach. This large dark creature was ambling down the hill as I was walking up...got the shock of my life! Couldn't see at the distance exactly what the big black woolly thing was...pony? Calf...what was a calf doing in the street? I have never seen one since but have always admired pictures of them. What are they like to have around? Any special traits? I'd love to hear if you have them!

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    I would stand by your breeding anyday M. As a fellow breeder and the owner of one of the Champions you listed as having bred AKA Abcalert Fenrir. He not only titled as an Australian champion but he won several in group and class wins under interstate and international judges. you may ask anyone from the Western Australian showing circuit and Im sure they all knew who Dudley was.

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    Nice to see dogs fit and healthy. Nine looks incredible he really does it's a shame more giant breed pups dont look like him.

    Australia doesnt believe in workability but looks for a lot of dogs. It's the isolation of our country, we tend to get ideas and run with them and hence turn the dogs into something far removed from the original breed types that were first imported. I have working line Malinois and we get the same thing - oh you cant show them they're useless as they dont conform to type. I was told to spey my young working bitch or return her for a refund as her flopped ears made her useless for breeding despite the fact she's an incredibly healthy, muscly bitch with perfect workability and stable temperament. Our breeding priorities are the wrong way around.

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