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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    Minibulls Mum,
    Make sure you get Nine's Elbows x rayed and scored before you breed from him. I have one of his litter mates and she has elbow dysplasia. She looks very similar to him, not too typy, tall and active but has had to undergo invasive elbow surgery and almost 6months of rehab. There is a genetic component to elbow dysplasia, so just a word of warning.
    That is something you should send in a private message not put it out there like that. Sorry don't mean to upset you but it just isn't polite thing to do as whether her dogs hips are good or not as some poeple will remember your post not her x-ray results.
    Plus she has already stated he needs his x-rays etc before she decide whether to breed him or not.
    Last edited by crazydog; 01-22-2011 at 03:44 PM.
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    Just saw this post,
    Rich,
    all Neos can have elbow problems you are trying to teach your granny to suck eggs here, I am all to aware of elbow problems in the breed, they are in fact more common than hip problems are.

    If Nine had ununited anconeal proses which is the most common problem he would have shown it by now, he will still be x rayed in case there is any sort of deformity before he is bred.

    If genetic problems scare you keep away from dogs in general, far too many breeds have 'familial' problems of one sort or another, comes from over use of popular sires and in the case of Neos from downright over use of inbreeding to set type, and that 'type' consists of breeding together dogs with features most breeders try to avoid for health reasons.

    So be aware yourself of exactly what you are letting yourself in for if you buy one, no line or kennel is exempt from problem dogs nor will it ever be.

    Also many joint problems can be caused by the owner doing the wrong thing even though they seldom realise it, in large breeds bones are soft and growing fast and very easily damaged.

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    So true Minibull about it can be the puppy buyers fault from wrong feeding, allowing rough play with other dogs, jumping off utes & climbing stairs are all critical to a growing large breed dogs ongoing joint & ligament health. I'm sure I left a few out as well.
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    "Also many joint problems can be caused by the owner doing the wrong thing even though they seldom realise it, in large breeds bones are soft and growing fast and very easily damaged.''

    Very true and many a time the breeder is blamed.......First eighteen months are very important, tread lightly with the big guys. That is why we love swimming, even then you have to take care........
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    Yep swimming is great, builds muscle without stressing bones, throwing balls and even tugs are bad and far too many do not realise the harm this can do.

    We all hear of athletes wrecking joints/tendons ect. and needing surgery to fix this, no one suggests it is just bad genetics !

    There is, no doubt a genetic component in HD and ED but there is also environmental componants often not considered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Finally worked out posting pics I think, a photo of nine for CD and anyone interested in the fitter than average type of Neo, nine is one year old still lean and not too wrinkled which means his thyroid gland is working, thickened skin and very heavy wrinkles are a sign of low thyroid activity.
    Longer leaner legs mean his bones are not spongy and he is not suffering from the form of dwarfism that causes very short thick legs, often with very spongy bone structure.

    Slower to fill out and mature means better health as a general rule, his immune system is most unlikely to be good as most Neos have very low immunity, this does improve somwhat with age but is never tops.

    If Nine passes all tests he has yet to have he will be our next stud dog, his temperament is as close to perfect as you could get, cool and friendly but will stand his ground and will guard


    Oh OOO here we go again So what is all this Dwarf business you are talking?? and what type of Thyroid tests are you doing?? The full panel T 4 test and asking for the actual numbers and ranges ??

    If you are going to get on forums and preach and make out you know get some dogs to standard and your facts straight !

    Not one dog you have posted would pass as a Neapolitan Mastiff under the breed standard, maybe a what is it called "Bandog " a Neapolitan Mastiff X Pitbull, maybe stick with what you know best X BREEDS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson View Post
    Oh OOO here we go again So what is all this Dwarf business you are talking?? and what type of Thyroid tests are you doing?? The full panel T 4 test and asking for the actual numbers and ranges ??

    If you are going to get on forums and preach and make out you know get some dogs to standard and your facts straight !

    Not one dog you have posted would pass as a Neapolitan Mastiff under the breed standard, maybe a what is it called "Bandog " a Neapolitan Mastiff X Pitbull, maybe stick with what you know best X BREEDS!
    Congratulations Johnson, looks like you might have found the right thread FINALLY. Perhaps you might like to post an apology to the members here for the accusations you've thrown around about 'mysteriously disappearing' posts.

    Leave you to it, then.

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    Dwarf business you are talking It is mentioned in Sherylin Allens book "The Official Book of the Neapolitan Mastiff" will get around to quoting exactly from that book when I get a new computer and put up further info on exactly why typy cannot equal fit. (according to the book, not me, although I certainly have found this to be the case)
    The dogs with shorter legs are suffering from a form of dwarfism according to her (S Allen)and she is a vet who has bred them for longer than anyone in this country and has seen thousands over all, her own and others as well.

    No doubt you know better.


    get some dogs to standard
    Whose standard, not that of the idiots who have ruined their health I hope?

    The full panel T 4 test and asking for the actual numbers and ranges ??

    Even though only typy dogs need those tests, we do still do a full panel of over 40 DNA tests including for congenital thyroid malfunction, when I get things working again I will scan and post a certificate or two for those who are interested in the health of Neos (or Bandogs we do a full panel of tests on them too)

    Most breeders get the dogs thyroid tested at an age when it is most likely to be at it's best, tests done at a later age on very typy dogs show a very different picture, this is also mentioned in 'the book' there is further reference to worries Mario Zacchi had regarding the future health of the breed in his book "The Neapolitan Mastiff" You ought to familiarise yourself with a few facts before trying to make out what I say is all my own idea and not backed up by both research, experience and facts written by others with a great deal of knowledge on the dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Dwarf business you are talking It is mentioned in Sherylin Allens book "The Official Book of the Neapolitan Mastiff" will get around to quoting exactly from that book when I get a new computer and put up further info on exactly why typy cannot equal fit. (according to the book, not me, although I certainly have found this to be the case)
    The dogs with shorter legs are suffering from a form of dwarfism according to her (S Allen)and she is a vet who has bred them for longer than anyone in this country and has seen thousands over all, her own and others as well.

    No doubt you know better.


    get some dogs to standard
    Whose standard, not that of the idiots who have ruined their health I hope?

    The full panel T 4 test and asking for the actual numbers and ranges ??

    Even though only typy dogs need those tests, we do still do a full panel of over 40 DNA tests including for congenital thyroid malfunction, when I get things working again I will scan and post a certificate or two for those who are interested in the health of Neos (or Bandogs we do a full panel of tests on them too)

    Most breeders get the dogs thyroid tested at an age when it is most likely to be at it's best, tests done at a later age on very typy dogs show a very different picture, this is also mentioned in 'the book' there is further reference to worries Mario Zacchi had regarding the future health of the breed in his book "The Neapolitan Mastiff" You ought to familiarise yourself with a few facts before trying to make out what I say is all my own idea and not backed up by both research, experience and facts written by others with a great deal of knowledge on the dogs.
    Oh Dear so now you are not familiar with the standard ?? you should not be breeding so called "NEOS" if you can not read, understand and adhere to the standard.

    Oh please quoting the big old Sherilyn Allen book do you really think I dont have this book and every other book published about Neapolitan Mastiffs including every THF publication and if you want me to start quoting things for you out of books more than happy.

    The problem is here you are breeding Neapolitan Mastiffs cross bred and then trying to pass them off as "NEOS" like mentioned earlier if you cant resource or afford good quality PURE Neapolitan Mastiff blood don't go trying to confuse newbies and people who dont know that you are some big good breeder of pure bred Neapolitan Mastiff by rubbishing the too Standard Neapolitan Mastiff.

    Stick to breeding your cross bred Neapolitan Mastiffs and leave it at that.

    Like I mentioned I will be keeping an eye on anything said here too tarnish or mislead and mis inform people on the beautiful MASTINO NAPOLETANO !!!

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    All my dogs are DNA profiled, even though the Bitsa test is not infallible it will show up a cross from pure, this will stand up in court, you have crossed the line a bit too far.

    I am now going to report this thread, an opinion is one thing, posting libellous rubbish is another. No wonder you have remained anonymous, if you will not put both your name and offer proof with an accusation like that you ought not to be making it.

    Put up proof or go off and stay under your rock.

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