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    There has been a push withsome breeders to breed Newfies looking very much like Neo's with hair.....very sad really when the boning and head is so heavy they can barely move or hold their head up....the Newf is supposed to be a moderate breed, so breeding to extemes is so wrong. We see some with such long pendulous lips they could tie in a knot above their non existant skulls....
    Also huge dangling ears, loose eyes showing haw and narrow muzzles seem to be loved by many.
    It is very hard to keep the "middle of the road" breeding steady as there is more and more overdone types out there, the options for stud dogs and breeding bitches of correct type is lessened.

    I guess everyone is entitled to breed the "type" that they think meets the breed standard, but give me moderate, middle of the road, sound healthy dogs any day!!

    I have to say I do really like your Neo! He looks athletic, agile and able to do the job he was bred for. Congratulations on staying true to type!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Finally worked out posting pics I think, a photo of nine for CD and anyone interested in the fitter than average type of Neo, nine is one year old still lean and not too wrinkled which means his thyroid gland is working, thickened skin and very heavy wrinkles are a sign of low thyroid activity.
    Longer leaner legs mean his bones are not spongy and he is not suffering from the form of dwarfism that causes very short thick legs, often with very spongy bone structure.

    Slower to fill out and mature means better health as a general rule, his immune system is most unlikely to be good as most Neos have very low immunity, this does improve somwhat with age but is never tops.

    If Nine passes all tests he has yet to have he will be our next stud dog, his temperament is as close to perfect as you could get, cool and friendly but will stand his ground and will guard

    Love your dog, i tend to keep my Neo on the lean side much to the dismay of the breeder i brought from, he was very size orientated which is fine but i still like my dog being able to move.
    Health wise with the exception of an eyelid issue he is an incredibly fit and healthy dog.
    Sorry Crazydog you did ask for bloodlines in an earlier post and i didnt respond as i didnt have papers in front of me, he is from I'CASALESI. The dam i believe, was directly imported from Italy and this is the first of her lines here, the sire, Alfonso came from Vesuvio.

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    I think it's very good idea to keep any bigger to giants breed dogs on the slimmer side, & hate seeing fat growing large dogs.
    Thanks for the bloodlines, I think I may know the dam.

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    Gorgeous! I've met a couple of Neos in my life, all seriously overweight with hip dysplasia or joint issues. He is a fine fine specimen! Enjoy him


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    This article confirms that there are varying opinions of the breeds origin similar to the fact there are varying opinions of what the breed should be.
    Some want large and wrinkly some don't.
    Personally i chose my dog on his parents merits and i'm happy with my choice as should others be with thiers, after all we are all seeking what we want.
    Size was something i looked for as was a certain amount of wrinkles when i purchased. By size i dont mean weight it was more a height thing, seen some very low heavy versions of the breed that i didnt like, they looked uncomfortable in that state ( in my opinion).
    As for wrinkles well be realistic like them or not, thyroid problems whatever, it is probably the most definitve thing that seperates it from other breeds of mastiffs so thier was a requirement for wrinkles. Again i chose to stay clear of dogs whose skin was just short of dragging on the ground ( just my opinion).
    There is no right or no wrong as long as its within acceptable breed standards and for me its about having a healthy and happy dog that appeals to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    This article confirms that there are varying opinions of the breeds origin similar to the fact there are varying opinions of what the breed should be.
    Some want large and wrinkly some don't.
    Personally i chose my dog on his parents merits and i'm happy with my choice as should others be with thiers, after all we are all seeking what we want.
    Size was something i looked for as was a certain amount of wrinkles when i purchased. By size i dont mean weight it was more a height thing, seen some very low heavy versions of the breed that i didnt like, they looked uncomfortable in that state ( in my opinion).
    As for wrinkles well be realistic like them or not, thyroid problems whatever, it is probably the most definitve thing that seperates it from other breeds of mastiffs so thier was a requirement for wrinkles. Again i chose to stay clear of dogs whose skin was just short of dragging on the ground ( just my opinion).
    There is no right or no wrong as long as its within acceptable breed standards and for me its about having a healthy and happy dog that appeals to me.

    Understand what your saying & agree with alot of it but the wrinkle was never as pronouced as it is today.
    I have owned both a typey Neo breed from imp male grandchamp & mum was an aussy champ & a plain bitch who had some of the bigger imp behind her also but more of athlectic leaner taller so called plain types & the plainer bitch is to this day an active sporting dog & the typey bitch had to be pts due to genectic illnesses & the worst skin problems I have ever seen.
    I have also seen alot of different varations of the Bandog also & they are so athlectic & alot of old timers says they are closer to the real origanal Neo type than what we see in our show rings.
    I love Mastiffs in general but fear breeders are going to ruin them all by breeding over sized dogs with extreme type that are to inbreed.

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    As far as Neos go, what is being accepted and even encouraged in the show ring and by modern interpretation of the written standard, a standard set very recently in the actual history of the Neo, which is only a reconstruction of what some see as the old Molosser anyway, is a type of dog which cannot be both as typy as a multitude of show breeders want, and healthy, of you obtain and read "The Official Book of the Neapolitan Mastiff" by S Allen she describes many instances of just why a typy dog has recessive genes most breeders avoid, and what those genes cause in the way of health problems, without them you cannot have the heavy wrinkles the show scene like, it just does not happen, those heavy wrinkles depend on a substance found in diabetics under the skin to plump them out and give the heavy substantial look the show people like, I am too busy to look up the name of it now but without it you just do not get the same look, a dog with a normal thyroid will also not develop heavy wrinkling, it will also be taller and leaner than a litter mate with low thyroid function, she shows photos in that book of sisters, one a wrinkled low set dog, the other looks more like a Great Dane than a Neo.

    If you buy a dog almost certainly destined to have at least some health issues and also almost certainly destined to live a far shorter life than even the average large breed and you really do know what you are letting yourself in for and don't mind the genetic cruelty done to the dog by it's very breeding, then I would agree with those who want a very typy dog, many find out far too late that they have unknowingly bought a bucket of bad genes which will kill their dog way before time and cost them a fortune in vet bills along the way.

    It should be mandatory that this be made clear by breeders, instead of countless sites you see advertising that they breed for health and type, type to them being the over sized over wrinkled dogs with inherent health problems currently being praised in shows by being awarded Championships when they would be far better to be sent home. In those dogs health cannot go with type, you have to choose which you want.



    The fact that some individual typy dogs manage to live a reasonable life and still be very typy does not alter the fact that far too high a percentage of the general population of those types are averaging only 4 years of age, where the less typy dogs average much longer lives, this of course does not mean some of that population will not die young or get some horrible genetic condition, just that their general population is far longer lived with fewer problems.
    Peter, if your dog is one of the taller types he is very likely fitter than the shorter Neos, those are usually suffering from a form of dwarfism.

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    My dog definately suffers from no dwarfism and he stands tall and muscular.
    As for wrinkles i dont see his as excessive.
    This is the most recent photo i have of him. He has just turned 2 and is a little over 70kg's.


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    Yes & along with dwarfism is a list of health problem so how can a dwarf dog be encouraged to breed it's just plain maddness. Some of the health issues that come hand in hand with dwarfism are enlarged hearts, fluid around many internal organs, low thyroid(which brins along it's own health issues), joints that are old beyound their years & painfull, twisting of limbs & I could go on & on.
    Great post Minibull......................

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