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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Atcully the bitch that Dreamer came from was a mix of Abcalert top & Nancy Kecks dogs(sorry her prefix wont come to me atm)mainly on bottom of pedigree.
    The dog he put over her was Magnufi breed.
    Yes CD, I know her dogs can't think of kennel name either, it will come to me shortly I am sure, a lot of people grab one of my plainer dogs or bitches to use when their dogs are getting too big.

    I must say it has been a big lesson in genetics, I had no idea when we bought our first Neos what a challenge they would be.

    Had I known I doubt I would have touched them, and would have missed out on dogs with natures like no other I have yet found.

    Even after 15 years plus of breeding I can't say I have gotten rid of faults, I have improved health and longevity in the general population, but not in all individuals, I think the breed is just too inbred and been bred too big too fast for the good of the individual dogs, too many die young.

    I would rather a smaller plainer dog who lives ten years and maybe more than a huge dog who dies before age 4 far too often.

    Oldest of mine still going that I know of is 12 years old now and still well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Yes CD, I know her dogs can't think of kennel name either, it will come to me shortly I am sure, a lot of people grab one of my plainer dogs or bitches to use when their dogs are getting too big.

    I must say it has been a big lesson in genetics, I had no idea when we bought our first Neos what a challenge they would be.

    Had I known I doubt I would have touched them, and would have missed out on dogs with natures like no other I have yet found.

    Even after 15 years plus of breeding I can't say I have gotten rid of faults, I have improved health and longevity in the general population, but not in all individuals, I think the breed is just too inbred and been bred too big too fast for the good of the individual dogs, too many die young.

    I would rather a smaller plainer dog who lives ten years and maybe more than a huge dog who dies before age 4 far too often.

    Oldest of mine still going that I know of is 12 years old now and still well.
    Wow 12 is great for these bigger breeds.
    I have never heard a Neo breeder talk such good sence & it's dose the heart good to hear it.
    I loved the dogs but after all Cloud's(ex's so called show quality bitch)health problems then having to have her put down I was scared there was no was no way to be sure we would not go through it again. I wish I had known of your dogs then.
    My partner now is always saying when we are settled on our own farm he will breed some Neo of the old type & now I know who to come to for quality dogs when the time dose come.

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    Love your thoughts and efforts in breeding........With the Giants

    I love active newfies ( any giant really), we do agility with our Annabelle and people are always suprised. Katy is a very large dog, but lean and mean and so full of energy, even in the hot weather. We will be doing agility with Katy too, when she is a little older.
    Our breeder has had quite a few 12-14 year olds. a newfie is a mastiff after all
    Our own have been quite good too in age, except the rescues, they were mostly badly bred and badly raised looked after in their past.
    And I also love the smaller version of our breed, Annabelle is a mini newf
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    Love your thoughts and efforts in breeding........With the Giants

    I love active newfies ( any giant really), we do agility with our Annabelle and people are always suprised. Katy is a very large dog, but lean and mean and so full of energy, even in the hot weather. We will be doing agility with Katy too, when she is a little older.
    Our breeder has had quite a few 12-14 year olds. a newfie is a mastiff after all
    Our own have been quite good too in age, except the rescues, they were mostly badly bred and badly raised looked after in their past.
    And I also love the smaller version of our breed, Annabelle is a mini newf
    I thought my Pearl was going to be a mini TM but just a slow maturer although is small compared to some of the imports in TAS TM kennel.
    Yes I think all gaint breeders have to take a long hard look at their dogs & what they really what to breed towards.

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    Our breeder has had quite a few 12-14 year olds. a newfie is a mastiff after all

    Just goes to show that healthier large dogs can be bred, Newfsie do Newfies have a large gene pool? don't know much about them, like their lovely heads though.

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    Yes they do here in Australia, because there have been a couple of Breeders who have brought in dogs and bitches from all over the world. One of mine has Finnish blood lines, the other canadian and my previous girl was mostly USA lines. I know that there are dogs brought in from the UK, USA, Canada, Finland and other parts of Europe. A large gene pool, relatively speaking. So we are lucky in that aspect. there are still a few people who just breed newfies (BYB) but most newfie Breeders i am proud to say are really into improving the breed. The reason my mini newf was spayed was because she was people and dog aggressive, even though it was caused by mismanagement of people. Her Breeder who rescued her thought it was not good to have that possibly bred and passed on. That to me is responsible breeding. We have had miss-treated rescue newfs before and Annabelle has been the only aggressive one, so she had a point. they are a very naturally people friendly dog, even under duress. About the only breed that is a natural rescuer of people and even strangers
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    Newfie,
    I did not realize the Newfies had such a good gene pool here & it's great to hear.
    The TM's are getter more now thanks to a couple of dedecated import breeders but still have a ways to go yet.

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    That is all good, I would think that Tm and Newfies would not have been bred by deliberately selecting dogs with what are usually undesirable genes as Neos have been.

    Many do not realise that the very traits that make a Neo what he is in appearance are caused by what most breeders consider to be fautly genetics to start with.

    Makes it hard to correct the bad health so many suffer from, and all Neos seem to date back to no more than from 12 to 15 dogs, they also bred for the dilute blue and tawny colours to the extent that most of them are now blue (grey is correct term)

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    He is very handsome, gorgeous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    That is all good, I would think that Tm and Newfies would not have been bred by deliberately selecting dogs with what are usually undesirable genes as Neos have been.

    Many do not realise that the very traits that make a Neo what he is in appearance are caused by what most breeders consider to be fautly genetics to start with.

    Makes it hard to correct the bad health so many suffer from, and all Neos seem to date back to no more than from 12 to 15 dogs, they also bred for the dilute blue and tawny colours to the extent that most of them are now blue (grey is correct term)
    Yes & no on the deliberately selecting dogs with gentic faults for the TM's.
    I don't think it's been deliberately done but some breeders(not so much in Aus yet) will choose a dog on size alone & alot of the bigger dogs come with chinese & tiwanise bllodlines that unfortuntly seem to carry bad eyes, hips & some immune issues.
    Also there is a push towards much more Mastiff type heads(wrinkling, excess fews & skin) as some beleive what we have been breeding up untill very recently where actully a sub breed & that the much larger, mastiff type dogs are the true Tibetan Mastiffs.
    I beleive like any landraise breed/type of dogs it's going to take alot of dedecated breeders with the same aim to get them breeding true to type. That yes there may be serveral different types but they are all Tibetan Mastiffs in their own right.
    I prefere to breed like to like though & don't like seeing more clean headed TM's being breed to the Mastiff head types.
    I will add a link to a lady in Europe's site who has great info on the different types.

    http://www.sundaritms.com/an/quo.asp
    Her whole site is well worth a look & her pages on her aim with the breed is really interesting.

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