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    Brill post, Crested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Talk about hit and run from the OP. Where did that desperate seeking spoodle go?

    Obviously not desperate enough to discuss it with us.

    So theoretically - it is possible that there could be a responsible breeder (as described by the RSPCA), that breeds with pure breds or bitsas. It's just not very likely. Genetic health tests are expensive and how the puppies might turn out is unknown.

    But something called "out crossing" to improve lines used to be quite common and was probably a good thing - though when it was common, it was also common to drown any puppies that were not quite right.

    Progress is not always a good thing.

    I test dogs I intend on using in ANY breeding programe be they an imp with papers to a cross bred so it dose happen.
    I also take back any dog I have ever breed or rehome with no questions asked.
    Over the last 5 yrs say I have breed 6 litters 3 pure & 3 x breds. I do not x to suit a faze or make money just to produce what I am looking for.

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    I agree that most poeple selling a spoodle are full of it as they are normally just a mix of many little breeds & are breeding to purly make money.
    But just because someone cross breeds dose not mean they aren't serious about health & temperment as these are the very reasons I have cross breed.
    It's very hard to cross 2 breeds & that they will breed true time after time but if you keep the offspring & work over many generations you can get them breeding true to the type your after. It takes many years though & many dogs that you'll need to keep yourself or find homes for, I am lucky I can keep a pack of 12 & another pack of 6 at the farm(not that I have that many right now).
    I would not cross breed a rare breed dog though as their genes are much needed within their own breed. Also the breeds should be compatable with each other & not all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Yes, sorry Boxerini, but that whole article was just over the top ridiculous.

    Minibulls-mum is WAY off the mark when she says I find it funny to do something that causes my dog discomfort/distress...

    Yes, Cresteds get shaved for shows but nothing like what the article portrayed.
    There is a girl being shown down here in Tassie who has maybe 5-10 hairs over her entire body. Those 5 hairs get shaved off but that's it.

    My boy does have a fairly thick stripe of hair down the center of his back but still nothing like she is making it out to be. And I do not rash him when I shave him, I use a mens electric razor and it takes me just a few minutes to get the hairs off... Cyrus actually goes to sleep while I'm doing it, it's a battle to get him to stand up.

    Show breeders do try to breed nice thick crests and thick hair on the feet and tail which means there may be some excess body hair as compared to pets but it in no way, whatsoever affects the dogs health.

    So unless you have OWNED and SHOWN a Chinese Crested, I don't think you can form a fair opinion.

    And yes, shaving them is permitted by Kennel Club rules, same as shaving a Poodle is permitted.
    It is foreign substances that are not allowed such as hairspray or chalk, yet they are used anyway.

    Sorry for going back off topic, just felt the need to defend myself and my show practices with my dog.


    What thread is this? Right.... Spoodles...

    I am sure they are fantastic little dogs, but the thing with mixed breeds is, if you have owned a Spoodle before chances are when you buy another one it will be NOTHING like the one you had previously.

    I had a purebred Shih Tzu years ago, lovely little dog, so calm and loving with a quirky nature.
    He passed away at 10 years of age.

    Well, I thought because of how Elliott was, calm and loving, they all must be like that right? WRONG! We got another Shih Tzu, she was even related our little Elliott (his great grandaughter) she was the polar opposite of him.
    She was dirty in the house, loud, hyperactive.

    They were raised the exact same way, but were completely different.
    And that was with a purebred dog who was related to the other! Imagine how different a mixed breed non-related dog can be!

    I say to anyone wanting a Spoodle to buy a purebred Miniature Poodle from a reputable breeder.

    Poodles (and therefor 'Spoodles") are prone to a genetic disease called Progressive Retinal Atrophy.
    This disease makes the dogs go completely blind by around age 5-6.

    Seeing as how the average dog is mated at around 2 years old there is no way to know if the dog has the disease or not without special testing.

    Reputable breeders do this genetic testing before they breed. Backyard breeders and puppy mills do not.

    I don't know about you but I would rather go for the purebred Poodle from the reputable breeder and KNOW it will not go blind, than risk getting a Spoodle from a backyard breeder and having to manage with a blind dog after it turns 5... remembering that some people here have said their dogs lived for 17 years.... so that makes what? 12 years living and coping with a blind dog. Not fair on you or the dog.

    If anyone wants information on Miniature Poodles I would be happy to help, I have 2 of them and my mum currently has 4 (she used to be a registered breeder).
    Thank you for clearing that up for me CL, it did read to an outsider as if you thought the blog funny, and since it is about dogs distressed from what looks to be having coats removed I thought it very odd of you, very pleased you replied.

    You and those you know may not harm your dogs, and if shaving some hair off show dogs is allowed I too wonder why she bothered to put the dogs on her blog which is mainly about bad breeding practices, but I doubt Gemima is wrong in claiming that some do go overboard and cause those awful rashes,and that is cruelty if her info is correct, her work is always pretty well researched if you read all of her stuff, she does give references for where her info comes from.

    And she does love pure bred dogs,she is just sick of the harm being done to them by some and being allowed to continue to be done by the registering bodies turning a blind eye to practices we should all be trying to stamp out not condone no matter where we are.

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    That last statement"She is just sick of the harm being done to pure breeds by some & it being allowed to countine to be done by reg bodies turning a blind eye to pratices we should all be trying to stamp out not condone" is excatly how I feel.
    I was just sick to death of lining up at shows next to dogs most of us knew had gentic dieses or had had entropic eyes fixed etc. They continue to breed yr in & out with such dogs & these are big very very well known top show dog breeders.

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    I agree with both of you, there are problems in purebreds but the way this lady goes about telling people is far from good.
    She is making it sounds as though ALL purebred breeders are the devil and it is really unfair to those breeders out there who do do the right thing.

    She provides no positive information, only negative.

    And thankyou for the reply minibulls mum, yes there may be some people out there who rash their dogs every week... I have to admit I have rashed Cyrus once when I was learning to groom, but that was my own fault and I know what I did wrong... since then I have never rashed him.

    Her claims that people wax their dogs is just plain ridiculous... not only would no-one be that cruel but it would be impossible on a Cresteds skin, you would just rip it to pieces.
    Epilators... well I guess there may be some breeders out there who do it but I don't know of any and I get my grooming tips off the top kennels in the country. The UK must be a lot different if that is happening there.

    I personally use an electric shaver, it just feels like a slight vibration on your skin and on his elbows where the razor can't go I use Nair. I only ever use use the Nair Sensitive Face Cream, the only product safe to use around human eyes so it's the only thing that goes on my dog.

    I test every product on myself first, if it irritates even the slightest I don't use it.

    Sorry I got my hackles up a bit, there just seem to be a lot of misconceptions about Cresteds and I usually end up in arguments, thankyou for being understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I agree with both of you, there are problems in purebreds but the way this lady goes about telling people is far from good.
    She is making it sounds as though ALL purebred breeders are the devil and it is really unfair to those breeders out there who do do the right thing.

    She provides no positive information, only negative.

    And thankyou for the reply minibulls mum, yes there may be some people out there who rash their dogs every week... I have to admit I have rashed Cyrus once when I was learning to groom, but that was my own fault and I know what I did wrong... since then I have never rashed him.

    Her claims that people wax their dogs is just plain ridiculous... not only would no-one be that cruel but it would be impossible on a Cresteds skin, you would just rip it to pieces.
    Epilators... well I guess there may be some breeders out there who do it but I don't know of any and I get my grooming tips off the top kennels in the country. The UK must be a lot different if that is happening there.

    I personally use an electric shaver, it just feels like a slight vibration on your skin and on his elbows where the razor can't go I use Nair. I only ever use use the Nair Sensitive Face Cream, the only product safe to use around human eyes so it's the only thing that goes on my dog.

    I test every product on myself first, if it irritates even the slightest I don't use it.

    Sorry I got my hackles up a bit, there just seem to be a lot of misconceptions about Cresteds and I usually end up in arguments, thankyou for being understanding.
    I too found her blog a little 1 sided but in most causes well reserched & referenced.
    I think it's great you get your hackles up over your breed because it shows your passion & we don't always all have to agree & I respect poeple who do stand up for what they beleive in alot more than wishy washy poeple who's opinions seem to change with whomever they may be talking to at the time.
    I too have problems with what poeple think they know about TM's & when questioned they have never even seen 1 in the flesh but are aruging with me about their temperment & what they have been used for in the past.

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    Ha ha goes for all of us, I get teed of at posts I have seen where people assure one and all Neos cannot run anymore, or that they are too slow to catch a man on the run, some can't for sure but mine can and do, current up and coming young stud at one year old can jump on our Ute with sides up from a standing start ! mind you there are huge problems in this breed and not many who understand that if we do not breed more toward health than just huge we could well wind up causing them to become extinct.
    Jemima is only showing the bad side, true, and we all know there are good breeders out there but all too often their efforts are swamped by either fashion or just plain dishonest people, our kennel clubs do need to step up to the mark and help to clean up their act and give all registered breeders a better name and let us all belong to something where bad breeding practises are just not allowed, it could be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    Ha ha goes for all of us, I get teed of at posts I have seen where people assure one and all Neos cannot run anymore, or that they are too slow to catch a man on the run, some can't for sure but mine can and do, current up and coming young stud at one year old can jump on our Ute with sides up from a standing start ! mind you there are huge problems in this breed and not many who understand that if we do not breed more toward health than just huge we could well wind up causing them to become extinct.
    Jemima is only showing the bad side, true, and we all know there are good breeders out there but all too often their efforts are swamped by either fashion or just plain dishonest people, our kennel clubs do need to step up to the mark and help to clean up their act and give all registered breeders a better name and let us all belong to something where bad breeding practises are just not allowed, it could be done.
    A good old fashioned not over wrinkled or dwarfed limbed Neo's are increbably active & agile arn't they. My ex had 2 bitches at 1 stage 1 from big Neo show kennel & 1 from what some would call a byb & the first ended up a very sick 7 sorry example of any breed & in the end had to be pts due to gentic imunity issues that caused her imunine system to turn on her own body & just unending skin conditions that made her life unbearable. The second was what many called very plain, narrow & small but overmuscled was a working machine & now at 8yrs of age still dose weight pulls & enduraince pulls with the man that owns her now. I love a good Neo but have to say they are few are far between these days.
    I'd love to see a pic of your boy, I love the look of him in your profile pick.

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    Profile pic is a favourite old bitch now retired CD ,Nine as we call him is grey, will work out the pic thing and post one but have to take one first 8>) he is a dog I bought but from my lines originally with some interesting other lines mixed in and can go with the girls I now have without being related or at least not at all close, all Neos are related if you go back far enough, that is part of their problem and immune system is bad in all of them even mine have problems at times particularly as pups.

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