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    The ANKC is at least partly to blame, as new breeders get involved they take it for granted that standards are correct and that dogs who are often just malformed shells of what used to be sound functional dogs are correct and that they should be breeding them like that, judges continue to award over the top types so breeders chasing the almighty ribbon keep right on going.

    The ANKC has made no real effort to put the brakes on even breeding faulty dogs, only a few breed clubs are trying, and that when it is darn near too late and the dogs are in serious trouble.

    In other countries such irresponsible breeding is just not allowed, so registering bodies can step in if they want to, our lot just does not want to.

    You have only touched on the problems Neos have, and yet nearly any kennel with a web site will have the good old 'breeding for temperament health and type' blurb up on it.

    Yet you cannot breed to what they are calling type today without breeding dogs which have very harmful recessive genes, that is how you get the heavy wrinkle and bone, those dogs have a from of dwarfism and low thyroid function that causes the desired appearance along with other so many health problems that their true average age is not 8 as you will be told but more like 4 years, far too many die before they even get to 2 years, there are very few Neos over 8 years old, they do exist of course but are definitely the exception.

    Those who test for normal thyroid function do so when the dog is at an age that they know it will still be normal, so they can rightly say it is, if the same dog is tested a few years later, it will be low and many of them know it, plainer dogs with fewer wrinkles and sturdy but not huge bone structure are sounder as a rule but still have low immune systems which leave them prone to fall victim to every bug going the rounds.

    I think the time is coming that either the government will step in or broken hearted buyers will band together and take a class action against the ANKC and serve them right, we have been members for many years and are increasingly discusted with the way they operate, yet there is no viable alternative as yet, and we do need a proper registry, it would just be very nice if it really was a good one.

    I'm not knocking Neos by the way, I breed them, but not 'typy' ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvershadowwolf24 View Post
    It's my opinion that a lot of people don't really care about the animals they're breeding- not really. They're in it to "improve" the standard. If they're taking the standard as a literal thing (rather then a guideline) is makes sense that they would go to extreme lengths to follow it to a t, and other like-minded people (a lot of them, it seems) are of course going to spend a lot of money to continue the same line of thinking.
    But they,ve not followed the standard in some of these breeds, they have gone past what the standard says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    The ANKC is at least partly to blame, as new breeders get involved they take it for granted that standards are correct and that dogs who are often just malformed shells of what used to be sound functional dogs are correct and that they should be breeding them like that, judges continue to award over the top types so breeders chasing the almighty ribbon keep right on going.

    The ANKC has made no real effort to put the brakes on even breeding faulty dogs, only a few breed clubs are trying, and that when it is darn near too late and the dogs are in serious trouble.

    In other countries such irresponsible breeding is just not allowed, so registering bodies can step in if they want to, our lot just does not want to.

    You have only touched on the problems Neos have, and yet nearly any kennel with a web site will have the good old 'breeding for temperament health and type' blurb up on it.

    Yet you cannot breed to what they are calling type today without breeding dogs which have very harmful recessive genes, that is how you get the heavy wrinkle and bone, those dogs have a from of dwarfism and low thyroid function that causes the desired appearance along with other so many health problems that their true average age is not 8 as you will be told but more like 4 years, far too many die before they even get to 2 years, there are very few Neos over 8 years old, they do exist of course but are definitely the exception.

    Those who test for normal thyroid function do so when the dog is at an age that they know it will still be normal, so they can rightly say it is, if the same dog is tested a few years later, it will be low and many of them know it, plainer dogs with fewer wrinkles and sturdy but not huge bone structure are sounder as a rule but still have low immune systems which leave them prone to fall victim to every bug going the rounds.

    I think the time is coming that either the government will step in or broken hearted buyers will band together and take a class action against the ANKC and serve them right, we have been members for many years and are increasingly discusted with the way they operate, yet there is no viable alternative as yet, and we do need a proper registry, it would just be very nice if it really was a good one.

    I'm not knocking Neos by the way, I breed them, but not 'typy' ones.
    Oh I love Neo's too just hate what's becoming of them. My ex payed huge money from 1 of the so called best kennels in Aus to end up with huge vet bills & no Neo. She had the imune system type skin infections & then her kidney's stopped working. He has since bought a plainer Neo 4 1/2 the cost & she is the bomb but would not get a look in at a show as she is the old type.

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    It really is look at those strong reagal looking dogs & what they've become.

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    http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/rese...ogbreeding.pdf
    great read on all the breeds, i wanted to put it on my How they have changed thread as that thread was meant to be about all different breeds not just shepards but it has been moved her??????????????

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    Great old pics that really show how breeds have changed so..........
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    THE CHANGING FACE OF THE BULLDOG
    Great read about bulldogs

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    Can really see the change in the mastiffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Can really see the change in the mastiffs.
    why is the dingo on there?
    Dingoes are not domestic dogs, they are wild, and are actually Australia's wolves!
    Dingoes do not make good pets at all.

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