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    sorry should have picked better colour than red but at least I am starting to get it.

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    For photos I upload to photo bucket. I then copy the image link and paste it in the body of my written post.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Hi crazydog

    I think we agree on most things, or at least the basic principles. I think some of your methods are a little "old school". I started out that way with my puppy when I got her at the end of 2008. She soon taught me that some of the techniques were a bad idea. I also spent a year of dog obedience class doing "yank and crank" and "luring" with treats and wondering why it wasn't really working for me.

    And nobody could explain why my dog is terrified of going for walks around the burbs. She's much better about it now but she'd still rather not. She loves being loose on the ovals and parks and beach though and she doesn't mind on lead stuff there. One trainer described her as an "omega dog" ie happy for every other dog to be the boss of her. She's also been described as "soft" ie super sensitive to punishment or criticism (as am I - ouch). But she will take over your life in the way of a 2 year old child if you let her. Two friends who offered to look after her for me, such a sweet dog and she is, found that out the hard way.

    I've been learning heaps of things on the net and by going to workshops and training seminars. A few people from dog club who don't actually use their training methods but must belong to a dog club so they can compete - have loaned me dvds of excellent dog trainers and behavourists like Turid Rugass, Susan Garrett, Greg Derrett etc.

    The stuff on the net needs passing through your common sense filter but there is heaps to learn. Especially about Classical Conditioning (Pavlov) and Operant Conditioning (Skinner). Classical conditioning is probably the only way I'm going to get really reliable recall out of my dog and I don't do the conditioning stuff enough. Ie three times a day is enough and yet I might only do it once or twice every couple of days. Sad but true.

    The best trainers, the ones I'd like to get results like, also keep notes and treat every training session like a science experiment with an aim, tasks, results, and a plan for the next session... For me, I'm a bit too spontaneous. For a friend who does make the notes - she wishes she'd actually review them, but she gets better results than me. For Bob Bailey and his wife - it was a way of life and they could train any animal to do anything.

    ClickerSolutions Interviews -- Bob Bailey

    As for your net savvyness, in particular saying what you mean and having it understood how you meant - you'll get the hang of it. For me, it's mostly about making sure I leave room for people to have a different opinion ie including "I think", "I believe", "this is my understanding"... and where appropriate: trying to credit the other sources of my info rather than presenting it as my own and making sure I state my lack of qualifications or experience or otherwise on the subject.

    You will also work out when someone is just trying to wind you up (one of the fave techniques of an internet troll), and other internet inhabitants that are best ignored or left alone. I love the following website for a general coverage, some of us are more than one of these, not all of them are bad if they only crop up occasionally.

    Troller
    (click on the box marked "Flame warrior" to get a list)

    Also if someone posts something that makes you want to burst - beware of any links they may have included - sometimes it's the worst kind of website they've linked ie the one that turns your computer into their plaything. It may be better to post a question about what they've written or report the post and let someone else look at the link. If they never come back and answer the question (ie within a week) - you can be fairly sure that they're just trying to make money by spamming.

    Consider it like this - when you respond - it's like giving a dog a treat or attention, so try to avoid responding to posts you don't wish to encourage, or be really really careful how you do.

    It's one reason why I avoid topics with subjects like "help please" - because I want to encourage topics with subjects that will give you a clue about the contents a few months later when you're trying to find the answer you already posted about whatever it was... I also like to encourage posters who have read some of the rest of the forum or done a search first to see if their question has been asked and answered before. I make some exceptions to this - if I can educate someone about puppy farms and petshop puppies I will - no matter how many times I've made the same reply before - because - that's the nature of the kind of people who buy puppies from puppy farms. They do first and think later. If they've at least posted, then maybe we can get them to think a little bit about what they're doing.

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    Dark Blue is a good colour for adding your bits. You can also experiment with quote tags. Like Fedra did. Ie you can bit bits of the post that you are responding to in separate quote tags and then post your bit between. The quote tag comes up when you click on the little ballone next to the "mountains" at the top of the message window when you're writing the message. I sometimes write my posts into "notepad" first so that I can cut and paste it into the message window when I'm ready and that makes it easier to see what I'm responding to as I write it.

    It also means you still have what you wrote if the browser decides to have a hissy fit.

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    Clicker training is the best....it is why my dogs have such a good re-call. i love clicker training
    Pets are forever

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    Thanks for that link about message board personalities, had me giggling for ages, wonder what i will be, lol............
    I use clicker training with horses & some dogs. Have done 3 different clinic about clicker training & the beleifs behind it. I would probley use it more but have other technics that I find work for me with less pre training & not need as much repatation. I guess it comes down to my own lazness, lol. But no argument from me a great training method I & use it when I think it's right for the dog.
    I too hate the yank & pull chock chain training but I do use a chocker on my male but no need for yanking him about. I just find he leans into other collars & I feel like I am holding his head up whereas he dosn't do it in the choke chain.
    I really do not stand by any 1 training method just what works for me & it tends to be taken from a few different technics. But I do beleive in the pack mentality & am strict on what I think is domaint behavour. I do not beleive in negitive reinforcment type training but am happy to take a bit here & there from most other technics.
    Thanks for the advice.....................

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    My clicker training is mostly combo "yes" /clicker, because i do not carry my clicker everywhere. My mouth is always there

    I also use a check chain for re-training our rescue newfs only. And only for training. There is no way you can have a 50-80kg dog listen with out a good check now and then, but it has to be quick pull and release and never tight the whole time. Just again like reins in horses. My dogs are all on flat collars now, even when we go out. but I would have no second thoughts about using a check-chain on a new rescue newfie. the last dog we had would not even look at food whilst we trained her initially. that has changed, she is the jack-pot queen now
    I also believe that there is no one method that works for all dogs. i start with the luring, go to guiding and on to compulsion on every new dog i meet and train. Our Katy is a pure positive reinforcement /negative punishment and she is a joy. The others are combo's, but mostly positive reinforcement with only the occasional positive punishment. I just love the way all dogs are different and i am glad that i know some different methods to use......
    Pets are forever

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