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    Oh, I know the poo in private one. My last ACD (RIP) was highly embarrassed if observed at his toileting. If I was outside I had to turn my back or he would saunter off and try elsewhere.

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    I try to do the "right" things with my dogs.. or shall I say.. the things they advised to keep your pet happy and healthy and trustworthy.

    I don't rough play with them, but they do lay on the couch. Other than being on the couch I pretty much stick to proper training methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    I actually do all those things that people and some trainers advise against Because i think their reason is plain stupid and unjustified I allow my dogs on couch, i allow my dogs go through door first when needed, I don't care whether I eat before or after them (and they don't either), I play tug-a-war and let them win and so many other things I can't remember. I've had dogs all my life and it was the same with all of them. It seems I do everything wrong but I have and have had well behaved and well mannered polite doggies
    All of this is fine and we do the same here at home. But there are dogs who go on the bed or couch and growl when they are asked to come off. there are dogs who charge through doorways and bowl over their owners, whilst they go trough the door.
    Living with dogs needs to be a pleasant experience, not a constant battle. My dogs get treats/titbits often when we are having our Dinner. but if i say "off you go" they leave. Also when we have visitors they go when asked. i think this "us eating before them" is just a waste of time. My dogs eat first, because it is more convenient to my lifestyle. My dogs are asked to go through the door first, so that i can pull the door shut when I go through the door. Otherwise I would have to go back in and shut it. how stupid is that? But if i say wait at the door, they stop and wait.
    My dogs lie on the couch with me , because I like them to be there, so in my eyes there is nothing wrong with that. But if I say "off" they get off. The same goes with the bed, my dogs know that they may come for a cuddle when asked, but newfs are too big to sleep on the bed with me , so it is "off" when asked.
    I am sure that according to a lot of strict dog trainers i do many things wrong, but i also know that i can take my dogs anywhere and have them off leash if i want. they are very social and easy going and have great re-calls. So our way of being with them must be OK. I think with out all the little by-laws (just like a bl...y council) we are still managing to enjoy our dogs
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    All of this is fine and we do the same here at home. But there are dogs who go on the bed or couch and growl when they are asked to come off. there are dogs who charge through doorways and bowl over their owners, whilst they go trough the door.
    Living with dogs needs to be a pleasant experience, not a constant battle. My dogs get treats/titbits often when we are having our Dinner. but if i say "off you go" they leave. Also when we have visitors they go when asked. i think this "us eating before them" is just a waste of time. My dogs eat first, because it is more convenient to my lifestyle. My dogs are asked to go through the door first, so that i can pull the door shut when I go through the door. Otherwise I would have to go back in and shut it. how stupid is that? But if i say wait at the door, they stop and wait.
    My dogs lie on the couch with me , because I like them to be there, so in my eyes there is nothing wrong with that. But if I say "off" they get off. The same goes with the bed, my dogs know that they may come for a cuddle when asked, but newfs are too big to sleep on the bed with me , so it is "off" when asked.
    I am sure that according to a lot of strict dog trainers i do many things wrong, but i also know that i can take my dogs anywhere and have them off leash if i want. they are very social and easy going and have great re-calls. So our way of being with them must be OK. I think with out all the little by-laws (just like a bl...y council) we are still managing to enjoy our dogs
    Well sounds like a happy household to me....... Your dogs do what you ask of them & what more can you ask really.
    I follow what works for me as do you & it's working as we both have happy social dogs. I am not saying everyone has to follows 1 set of rules at all.
    But I am coming across more & more so called problem dogs & when the home enviroment is looked into it all becomes alot clearer. Most common story goes a bit like this, We rescued a large teenage dog & he aws so sweet untill be started shredding the doors, nipping hands, being very pushy/vocal with guest & oh we can not walk him because he takes off & wants to fight. I ask so how many other dogs have you had & exsperaince with training/retraining & what exercise is the dog now getting since you can not walk him? Answers, oh we had a family little mixed breed years ago, no no training exsperaince & as for exercise well we play tug & wrestle & he has a big backyard I find with dogs like I just discribed need to start at the basics & some of the basic training rules are a good place to start to just at least gain some control.
    But each dog is different no doubt there. I just try & find what keeps the peace here & what different methods work with the dogs that are just passing through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Well sounds like a happy household to me....... Your dogs do what you ask of them & what more can you ask really.
    I follow what works for me as do you & it's working as we both have happy social dogs. I am not saying everyone has to follows 1 set of rules at all.
    But I am coming across more & more so called problem dogs & when the home enviroment is looked into it all becomes alot clearer. Most common story goes a bit like this, We rescued a large teenage dog & he aws so sweet untill be started shredding the doors, nipping hands, being very pushy/vocal with guest & oh we can not walk him because he takes off & wants to fight. I ask so how many other dogs have you had & exsperaince with training/retraining & what exercise is the dog now getting since you can not walk him? Answers, oh we had a family little mixed breed years ago, no no training exsperaince & as for exercise well we play tug & wrestle & he has a big backyard I find with dogs like I just discribed need to start at the basics & some of the basic training rules are a good place to start to just at least gain some control.
    But each dog is different no doubt there. I just try & find what keeps the peace here & what different methods work with the dogs that are just passing through.
    Well
    I suppose if i think about it we do have rules.........our rule is we are in charge not the dogs or horses. and maybe it is, because i am from a horse and dog training back ground. it just happens. I do not believe in books that tells you "your dog will be no good if you allow your dog to eat before you do" and so on . My belief is basic obedience and good house rules. But my rules are what fit my lifestyle. So I think maybe we do train our dogs the whole time we are in house. We do not tolerate any rough play in the house and I would be very upset if I owned a dog that bit me, even if it was a puppy. but having lived from birth in a house full of well mannered dog and even Hubby and I have had a house full for the last thirty years with always about 3-4 large dogs, it might just be natural, maybe we have dog-sense
    We also have rescues and we re-train some really bad dogs, but I also love to be soft with mine.
    Mind you just re-reading, I never play tug with my dogs, as I like my dogs to be soft mouthed for retrieving and water rescue. So I probably do a lot of things you do anyway
    I do hate bad mannered, spoilt or aggressive dogs. there is nothing worse then visiting someone and having their dogs bounce all over you. And they are quite offended when you growl at their dog or stop them from jumping on you
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    I also feel that I train as we just go along. I guess if I analyse it that it is an ongoing exercise that is just fallen into and done much without actual thinking about it.

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    Newfsie,
    I would 100% say you have dog sense & it comes natural to you. Not everyone has dog sense through............ And do not even get me started on horse sense because diffently many poeple lack that.
    Yes for me manners is very important too, maybe because you have newfies & me having TM's & their shear size makes manners so important. Yes I hate having dogs bouncing & barking at me as I enter someones place. And as you could all imagine I am so straight forward I generally upset the owner by letting them know methods etc to fix it, lol............

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Newfsie,
    I would 100% say you have dog sense & it comes natural to you. Not everyone has dog sense through............ And do not even get me started on horse sense because diffently many poeple lack that.
    Yes for me manners is very important too, maybe because you have newfies & me having TM's & their shear size makes manners so important. Yes I hate having dogs bouncing & barking at me as I enter someones place. And as you could all imagine I am so straight forward I generally upset the owner by letting them know methods etc to fix it, lol............
    Yes well we would probably both get into trouble

    My Friend in the USA has a TM, called Khabo. he had surgery on a cancer in his Zygoma , had to have quite a few teeth removed and part of his nose plus chemo. but you can hardly see it now. He was my Secret Santa this year and i bought him lots of yummy biscuits (soft doggy cookies) and a stuffless toy, he is a lovely boy and lives with a newfie
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    When I say a whole lot of doggy dominance stuff is bunk - I don't mean it all is, but the stuff promoted by one USA trainer in particular and copied by people who don't fully understand his whole system is.

    For me some things about "doggy dominance" is bunk specifically
    * who goes out the door first
    * who sleeps on the couch
    * who gets fed first
    * playing or winning tug
    and the idea that an "alpha roll" will correct anything or re-establish the human as leader
    those things are not what makes the difference and the alpha roll can be completely counter productive ie if you end up with a dog that is fearful of you (as opposed to respectful of your needs/commands) you've got trouble.

    I do agree that it is very important to not allow the dog to "shape" your behaviour into what the dog wants unless you're happy with that plan and most owners are not happy to be complete slaves to their dog's wishes and what the dog wants isn't always in the dog's best interest eg being in the kitchen when you're trying to carry boiling water to make its dinner...

    I suspect it's the same deal with children. You can't be letting them make all the decisions for you because they are complete hedonists and don't understand that you need to shop for food and pay the bills occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    When I say a whole lot of doggy dominance stuff is bunk - I don't mean it all is, but the stuff promoted by one USA trainer in particular and copied by people who don't fully understand his whole system is.

    For me some things about "doggy dominance" is bunk specifically
    * who goes out the door firstFor me it's more it's up to me how you go out the door.
    * who sleeps on the couchas long as dog is invited onto couch & moves when I asked I have no prob.
    * who gets fed first as long as I get respect & space when I ate I am not fussed
    * playing or winning tugAs long as you win the end game of tug
    and the idea that an "alpha roll" will correct anything or re-establish the human as leaderproblem with this is some poeple think to gain alpha role is through fear & power
    those things are not what makes the difference and the alpha roll can be completely counter productive ie if you end up with a dog that is fearful of you (as opposed to respectful of your needs/commands) you've got trouble. I totaly agree

    I do agree that it is very important to not allow the dog to "shape" your behaviour into what the dog wants unless you're happy with that plan and most owners are not happy to be complete slaves to their dog's wishes and what the dog wants isn't always in the dog's best interest eg being in the kitchen when you're trying to carry boiling water to make its dinner...I know of many households ruled by a fearful aggresive dog

    I suspect it's the same deal with children. You can't be letting them make all the decisions for you because they are complete hedonists and don't understand that you need to shop for food and pay the bills occasionally.very true, really I feel we are close to the same page
    I am just trying out this way of replying, I really need to learn how to insert photos next if this works, lol.
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