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    [QUOTE=ChoppaChop;112716]Yes, my dogs are well mannered and well behaved
    Loppster does not a great recall , the young lads is pretty solid.But it doesnt matter to me as my dogs are never ever allowed off lead outside of our own yard/house and the dog park which we politely call the 'Bully Park'. The park is fully fenced and if another dog is using it we will wait for them to finish and vice versa etc....

    I cant say I've used the same method training from whoa to go as each dog merits its own ability ( or lack thereof) of manner level. Some fosters would crumble if we just threw them in deep end whilst some would relish it. Doesnt mean either are the better dog,just different needs.

    I'm happy to say that my dogs have changed many minds when it comes to the public and its general perception of our breed.

    Not quite sure if my home is 'fun' though-I daresay the boys will disagree

    We dont want little immaculately trained soldiers who dont know how to think for themselves,we want dogs . Dogs that know their place yes,but still dogs [/QUOTE

    I agree that you can not throw foster/rescue dogs in the deep end with obedainces etc. My dogs are not perfect[noe are] & I am all for respecting a dogs right to be a dog but I really feel rough housing can be detramental for some young dogs & older too. It is mainly the young dogs of a domanite type breed that have had no true boundries training before the rough housing starts that worries me most. And the amount of poeple that think a 5-10min rough house playing is enough & that their dogs do not need regular walking & training. I am so sick of hearing oh we have a large yard no need for walks & we regularly rough house play with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Yes, my dogs are well mannered and well behaved
    Loppster does not a great recall , the young lads is pretty solid.But it doesnt matter to me as my dogs are never ever allowed off lead outside of our own yard/house and the dog park which we politely call the 'Bully Park'. The park is fully fenced and if another dog is using it we will wait for them to finish and vice versa etc....

    I cant say I've used the same method training from whoa to go as each dog merits its own ability ( or lack thereof) of manner level. Some fosters would crumble if we just threw them in deep end whilst some would relish it. Doesnt mean either are the better dog,just different needs.

    I'm happy to say that my dogs have changed many minds when it comes to the public and its general perception of our breed.

    Not quite sure if my home is 'fun' though-I daresay the boys will disagree

    We dont want little immaculately trained soldiers who dont know how to think for themselves,we want dogs . Dogs that know their place yes,but still dogs [/QUOTE

    I agree that you can not throw foster/rescue dogs in the deep end with obedainces etc. My dogs are not perfect[noe are] & I am all for respecting a dogs right to be a dog but I really feel rough housing can be detramental for some young dogs & older too. It is mainly the young dogs of a domanite type breed that have had no true boundries training before the rough housing starts that worries me most. And the amount of poeple that think a 5-10min rough house playing is enough & that their dogs do not need regular walking & training. I am so sick of hearing oh we have a large yard no need for walks & we regularly rough house play with him.

    And the amount of poeple that think a 5-10min rough house playing is enough & that their dogs do not need regular walking & training. I am so sick of hearing oh we have a large yard no need for walks & we regularly rough house play with him

    Totally agree with that statement .
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    It is far from stupid & I can bet you in a bad situation any dogs will trust & respond better to someone they see as a leader. If it works for you great but I think alot of you are not really getting the most out of your dogs. I bet these houses with no rules have a very stable top dog in their pack that ia actully keeping it all in order. I can also tell you if you tried to keep a pack of 8 or more working & breeding dogs it would be a mess. I am glad it works for you all but please if having any bahavour issues first thing cut out rough play & actully ask something of your dog that uses his mind.

    Interesting comment about the stable top dog keeping things in order. But again, youre exaggerating slightly. Noone said there were no rules LOL.

    We have rules in our house most def, as I am sure others do. But like the above postr, we also let our dogs on the couch and through doors ahead of us sometimes and other various things.

    I can't speak for everyone else, but in our house, I am most def the top dog (bitch even if you will). I keep everything stable which I think is why we can have fun with them.

    You'll disagree but that's fine, you do things differentl to me and thats what makes the world interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Interesting comment about the stable top dog keeping things in order. But again, youre exaggerating slightly. Noone said there were no rules LOL.

    We have rules in our house most def, as I am sure others do. But like the above postr, we also let our dogs on the couch and through doors ahead of us sometimes and other various things.

    I can't speak for everyone else, but in our house, I am most def the top dog (bitch even if you will). I keep everything stable which I think is why we can have fun with them.

    You'll disagree but that's fine, you do things differentl to me and thats what makes the world interesting.
    I never said YOUR house had NO rules.
    Yes if we all thought the same life would be very boring I agree.
    Bubba is my top dog & I am am top of everthing, lol. But I have to say no dog or cat would dare barge past Bubba in a doorway, lol. He rules with a fair but firm hand, lol. They also will always look to me before going through an open door, I can leave door & gate open & all would wait till I say they can go.
    By the way my dogs are allowed on the lounge & in my bed but only when invited & if they're told to move they do. So I am not as rigid as some think I just think dogs should have respect for poeple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    I never said YOUR house had NO rules.
    Yes if we all thought the same life would be very boring I agree.
    Bubba is my top dog & I am am top of everthing, lol. But I have to say no dog or cat would dare barge past Bubba in a doorway, lol. He rules with a fair but firm hand, lol. They also will always look to me before going through an open door, I can leave door & gate open & all would wait till I say they can go.
    By the way my dogs are allowed on the lounge & in my bed but only when invited & if they're told to move they do. So I am not as rigid as some think I just think dogs should have respect for poeple.
    I didnt say you said we had no rules, I was just meaning in general you referred to "no rules" then I used my house as an example.

    I totally agree, dogs should most definitely have respect for people. Our dogs are allowed on the furniture uninvited but like you, they have to get off when told (and they do). Like you also, our dogs generally wait for the OK to rush in a door but we don't worry if they don't wait because its usually pretty obvious when I am opening the door and they are allowed to rush in and when they are not.

    Again, I am in 100% agreeance about respect for people, but I dont think that rules out a bit of rough housing and play biting or what have you. We have always found it to work in our house....of course, it may not always work for all dogs and we would not do it with a dog who wasnt suitable obviously...that would just be asking for trouble LOL

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    Gawd where to start...

    Several trainers have recommended I do a NILIF program with my dog, and I don't quite. I sort of mostly do but not completely - so she's not completely obedient either. Ie I get the dog I deserve.

    She does sleep on the couch, she doesn't get to sleep on my bed when I'm sleeping.

    We do play tug and I do let her win from time to time, and I let her do victory laps but I'm trying to stop that. I don't always end a game while she wants more. I don't always work through the "don't wanna-don't hafta" moments.

    I never play rough with her and I do end the game if she chomps on me whether I think it accidental or not. I don't always hide when her recall is less than perfect or a bit slow - but I mostly do. I let her off the lead though I know her recall is sometimes dodgy. Weird thing happened at the park - scared me a bit - she went screaming across the oval to greet a dog she'd already greeted and ran straight by the tractor mower. I thought she was going for the tractor mower but she wasn't. And then she came straight back again at full speed (by then I'd called her and was on my way to a hiding place...). I wish I knew what she was thinking...

    I feed her before me - otherwise I forget.

    She goes out the door before me - so she can't trip me up.

    I don't use slip chain collar on her. I do feed her treats during training.

    Different trainers give out different advice so they will contradict each other let alone what I decide to take away from it.

    My main thing is to go with what works and if it isn't working, then make a plan to up the level of NILIF/using the trainers advice.

    A whole lot of stuff about doggy dominance is bunk if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    It is far from stupid
    It's very stupid. Dogs do what they are taught to do. A dog will behave correctly and politely regardless of whether he's allowed to go on couch, eat before me or what not if I teach him to behave as it should (or how I want him to behave).

    & I can bet you in a bad situation any dogs will trust & respond better to someone they see as a leader.
    Are you implying my dogs don't see me as a leader?

    If it works for you great but I think alot of you are not really getting the most out of your dogs.
    Being spoiled or not getting a clear message has nothing to do with sleeping on couches, eating before me or going through doors first.

    I bet these houses with no rules have a very stable top dog in their pack that ia actully keeping it all in order.
    My house is not a pack. And dogs do NOT perceive human family as a pack. Also, there are rules in my house and those rules are obeyed at all times. If I say "get off the bed" they will all get off the bed. Because I taught them to. Nothing to do with ranks. Among them, yes, there is an order of who is the boss and there's no questions about it. I have two of my own and occasionally I'm fostering. Currently we have 3 dogs in our house. No issues whatsoever.

    I can also tell you if you tried to keep a pack of 8 or more working & breeding dogs it would be a mess.
    I bet you it wouldn't. Not in my house, don't know about yours or anyone elses.

    I am glad it works for you all but please if having any bahavour issues first thing cut out rough play
    Depends what is an issue. Just because some issue may occur it doesn't mean it's because of rough play.

    & actully ask something of your dog that uses his mind.
    I do that with or without issues. Every day, throughout the day, through play, fun or something more serious. Any dog needs it - large, small, guardian or lapdog. It is necessary if you want stable, well behaved dog.
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    It's very stupid. Dogs do what they are taught to do. A dog will behave correctly and politely regardless of whether he's allowed to go on couch, eat before me or what not if I teach him to behave as it should (or how I want him to behave).



    Are you implying my dogs don't see me as a leader?



    Being spoiled or not getting a clear message has nothing to do with sleeping on couches, eating before me or going through doors first.



    My house is not a pack. And dogs do NOT perceive human family as a pack. Also, there are rules in my house and those rules are obeyed at all times. If I say "get off the bed" they will all get off the bed. Because I taught them to. Nothing to do with ranks. Among them, yes, there is an order of who is the boss and there's no questions about it. I have two of my own and occasionally I'm fostering. Currently we have 3 dogs in our house. No issues whatsoever.



    I bet you it wouldn't. Not in my house, don't know about yours or anyone elses.



    Depends what is an issue. Just because some issue may occur it doesn't mean it's because of rough play.



    I do that with or without issues. Every day, throughout the day, through play, fun or something more serious. Any dog needs it - large, small, guardian or lapdog. It is necessary if you want stable, well behaved dog.


    WOW........... Not once did I say anything about your dogs just dogs in general.
    Rough play is CERTNALLY not the cause of all bad behavour, all I am saying is if your having issues with your dog 1 of the things you should do is cut out rough play.
    Each to their own but it blows my mind that poeple think domaince is bull****. Dogs live & die by their domaince rules.
    I am not saying you have to have a dog like a little soilder but NO dog should be pushing past poeple at doorways or getting to sit in the best chair etc. A dog is a dog & part of respecting that for me is allow them to be secure in their placement within the pack.
    You do not have to agree[would be boring if everyone did] but you do not need to call me stupid or laugh at me etc. I have come to the conculsions I have from years of exsperaince with many breeds & situations, this is what works for me & I have seen it work for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Gawd where to start...

    Several trainers have recommended I do a NILIF program with my dog, and I don't quite. I sort of mostly do but not completely - so she's not completely obedient either. Ie I get the dog I deserve.

    She does sleep on the couch, she doesn't get to sleep on my bed when I'm sleeping.

    We do play tug and I do let her win from time to time, and I let her do victory laps but I'm trying to stop that. I don't always end a game while she wants more. I don't always work through the "don't wanna-don't hafta" moments.

    I never play rough with her and I do end the game if she chomps on me whether I think it accidental or not. I don't always hide when her recall is less than perfect or a bit slow - but I mostly do. I let her off the lead though I know her recall is sometimes dodgy. Weird thing happened at the park - scared me a bit - she went screaming across the oval to greet a dog she'd already greeted and ran straight by the tractor mower. I thought she was going for the tractor mower but she wasn't. And then she came straight back again at full speed (by then I'd called her and was on my way to a hiding place...). I wish I knew what she was thinking...

    I feed her before me - otherwise I forget.

    She goes out the door before me - so she can't trip me up.

    I don't use slip chain collar on her. I do feed her treats during training.

    Different trainers give out different advice so they will contradict each other let alone what I decide to take away from it.

    My main thing is to go with what works and if it isn't working, then make a plan to up the level of NILIF/using the trainers advice.

    A whole lot of stuff about doggy dominance is bunk if you ask me.
    Well you may think it's bunk but you are living it's rules really already. I agree with most of what you have had to say.
    I use chock chain on some dogs & I treat train plus other methods. I find different dogs need different training methods & tools[I try to keep tools to a miminum].

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    WOW........... Not once did I say anything about your dogs just dogs in general.
    Rough play is CERTNALLY not the cause of all bad behavour, all I am saying is if your having issues with your dog 1 of the things you should do is cut out rough play.
    Each to their own but it blows my mind that poeple think domaince is bull****. Dogs live & die by their domaince rules.
    I am not saying you have to have a dog like a little soilder but NO dog should be pushing past poeple at doorways or getting to sit in the best chair etc. A dog is a dog & part of respecting that for me is allow them to be secure in their placement within the pack.
    You do not have to agree[would be boring if everyone did] but you do not need to call me stupid or laugh at me etc. I have come to the conculsions I have from years of exsperaince with many breeds & situations, this is what works for me & I have seen it work for others.


    Crazy I think you will find that what you might think you're trying to say is being perceived in a very different manner. The bolded and underlined line in your post for example made me immediatley clench my jaw

    Perhaps a little extra care in keeping it to your likes and dislikes and not what we all should like /dislike
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