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Thread: Toy/Mini Poodle - Good Companion Dogs?

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    Default Toy Poodle versus Tenterfield Terrier

    Hello All

    I have just seen a toy/mini poodle advertised by a breeder and I'm just wondering if this little puppy would be good for me. The other dog I am deciding between is the Tenterfield Terrier.

    It would spend a lot of time inside with me
    Go to the beach for walks and plays
    Car drives
    Maybe camping
    Running with me
    Needs to get on with my 2 cats

    What do people think that currently have a toy poodle or know someone who has one. Are they easy to train? I will be taking to obedience training.

    Are they nice friendly dogs with young children as well for when my nieces visit.

    Which dog would you pick Tenterfield terrier or poodle and why?

    I look forward to your response.

    Kristy
    Last edited by fitnhealthy; 10-15-2010 at 01:37 PM.

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    Hi,
    Yes one of my friends has three toy/mini poodles. They are all wonderful dogs.

    Toy/mini poodle will do all of that. Poodles are smart and they will learn very quick. If you have a poodle pup to a household with two cat, it will adapt and respect cats' presence in the house. (when i introduced a minis pup to two cats, one of them nursed the pup while I was at work.) You still need to be careful with cat scratching to the face (esp eyes).

    I trust poodles still shed but very little. They shed less than say mini schnauzers (at least you can say less apparent as their hair is quite curly).

    Happy searching for your pup!
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    Would like to see the ad to make sure it's not a puppy mill or back yard breeder, but if you want to check the criteria for yourself...

    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    And read the smart puppy buyer's guide linked at the bottom too

    and this.
    Digital Dog Training Textbook | Dog Star Daily

    Poodles don't come with "off" switches though puppies do like to sleep a lot.
    All poodles (properly bred) are extremely clever and will find ways to amuse themselves if you don't. My cousin's toy poodle boy was a houdini dog, and used to escape their place - which was huge - plenty for him to do at home, but he'd rather go touring the neighbourhood. Desexing might have stopped that - I don't know.

    Poodles are really good at obedience and agility. They love learning tricks. The original obedience competition format was devised by a lady with poodles to show off how smart they are.

    The coat will require clipping to stay neat. Poodle might love the beach and water generally - well that's the breed history, I wouldn't make promises because they don't include "loves jumping in puddles" in the show competitions. You'd have to ask the breeder if the parent dogs like water.

    Camping - I don't know. Ticks and snakes and prickles can be hazards. But that would apply to all dogs, and terriers more than any other type.

    Running would be ok. Depends how far you want to go. With a puppy the rule of thumb is five minutes exercise per month of age, so you'd want to wait till it is 6 months old before going for long runs and build up the same way as you would for an unfit human.

    Some dogs get car sick - so you'd have to work on that too. No feeding before trip and if you can stop the dog from seeing out - it helps.

    Bedlington Terriers shed less than poodles but they are not as smart, and not as robust (sturdy). They also need clipping to keep their coat nice - like a sheep needs shearing.

    Poodles don't like being left alone for long periods of time but most dogs don't. Some terriers (border/cairn/jrt etc) can be ok.

    You might also want to try this to see if they think poodles are a good fit with your lifestyle. They're not 100% right but they will suggest reasons why or why not a dog is a good fit.
    Choosing a dog ? dog breed selector | Dog Time
    click on the big red start button.

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    Thank you for both taking the time to reply. Here is the add for the poodle... I am more then happy for you to let me know if it is a backyard breeder as I don't want to buy from one of those...

    dark apricot small min poodle - Pets, dogs / puppies - Gumtree Adelaide

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    I actually phoned SACA (DogsSA) which handles dog breed registrations in South Australia. The lady that answered the phone says there is NO WAY a registered poodle breeder would list puppies on Gumtree, they'd all have waiting lists of buyers.

    Here's my take.
    Ok ad on gumtree - very bad. Responsible breeders do not need to advertise on Gumtree / internet or newspaper classifieds.

    "registered breeder" BAD - I'd want to check via the SACA (DogsSA) website eg
    is their name listed as a registered breeder. Ad does not include the name or prefix of the breeder - bad.

    can you meet the parent dogs?

    She seems a bit confused about whether they are toy or they are mini. Bad. They're either one or the other or cross breed. (oops - BAD).

    She's not offering them with papers. Bad. All puppies from registered breeders are supposed to be registered - even if it's a limited register eg not suitable for breeding paper.

    Dogs SA :: Official Website
    Registered breeders are bound by the SACA code of ethics aka rules.
    page 12
    4. Litters and individual dogs must be registered in the State/Territory of residency of the owner, irrespective of where the pups are born.
    ...
    5. (a) A breeder wishing to register a dog must have registered a kennel prefix. Refer ANKC Regulations Part 10 National Prefix Register.

    So you could fill in the gumtree form for info. Ask what their kennel prefix is and if you can have papers (eg limited register if you just want a pet) with the ANKC for the puppy you choose. Then go to the SACA website and see if you can find the prefix on the SACA website (under breeders). Ask if you can meet the parent dogs. Ask which they are toy? or mini. If you get an answer like "it doesn't matter" or "they're the same" - avoid. If they say it was an accidental cross - at least they're being honest. But I'd still consider running for the hills because the ad is so misleading and it's on gumtree.

    Maybe by "registered breeder" they mean they are registered as a dog breeder with the local council. Not quite what we'd expect it to mean. Reeks of backyard breeder - sorry.

    If you have your heart set on a poodle puppy, find a breeder via the DogsSA website and also contact the toy dog club (also linked on that website). Follow the list provided by the RSPCA.

    PS I had a look at the ads on gumtree. A couple look like people trying to re-home their dogs for whatever reason... but most look like the work of deliberate or accidental back yard breeders. Even the dalmation boy - who looks nice - I'd be trying to get him re-homed via his original breeders. I image they'd be horrified to find him there.
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    Thank you Hyacinth I didn't know all that before. I was a little bit suss as I have been looking at the Tenterfield Terriers and contacted a view breeders and they asked me to visit there and meet the pups, give you papers, puppy plans etc. It sounded much more professional. I appreciate you checking for me. I was also confused about her writing toy/mini as I checked and they are two different dogs. I will have a look on the Dog SA website.

    I really don't know if I want a poodle or a tenterfield terrier. The other dog is a mini schnauzer, but they require more grooming...

    Lots of research

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    Tenterfield would require the least amount of grooming but might shed more. I've got an ACDx and find shedding no big deal. She does a bit but not much. I'd hate to have a golden retriever - they shed pillowfulls. You could make duna covers out of what they shed.

    Tenterfield, Schnauzer and Poodle all great at agility and obedience comps - very smart. All can be bark a lot dogs if not trained properly.

    PS if I can save anyone from puppy mills and irresponsible breeders I will try my best. Often it's all too late such as in this case.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/my-dog-st...tml#post109779
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    Is it hard to teach those three dogs not too bark? I am really leaning towards the Tenterfield terrier, but none of my family like them (or they prefer meduim size dogs or a poodle). I have read that they are meant to be great for young children etc.

    No idea why I like the little dogs, but I really do and I really like the Tenterfields. I would love to do agility of my dog was interested.

    That's a terrible story about the puppy with the broken leg. So sad Gumtree always has heaps of dogs for sale cheap etc, but I refuse to buy them, I look for giveaways, but I'm thinking a tenterfield might be for me. Might go and have a look on the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnhealthy View Post
    Thank you Hyacinth I didn't know all that before. I was a little bit suss as I have been looking at the Tenterfield Terriers and contacted a view breeders and they asked me to visit there and meet the pups, give you papers, puppy plans etc. It sounded much more professional. I appreciate you checking for me. I was also confused about her writing toy/mini as I checked and they are two different dogs. I will have a look on the Dog SA website.

    I really don't know if I want a poodle or a tenterfield terrier. The other dog is a mini schnauzer, but they require more grooming...

    Lots of research
    TT is a high energy dog like JRT. Mini schnauzers' grooming needs are much the same as poodles without worrying about tear lines etc. I groom my minis and it is not hard as much as poodles or say s/tzu. Minis are not hyper but have excellent stamina. Minis bitches are docile and quiet, and they are highly trainable and can easily adapt to small environment.
    If someone asked me what breed I would choose amongst terriers, I would say border terriers regardless my love for minis. I love their rough look, less hassle grooming, and their robust physical attributes. Then it is just me.
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    Hachna so you think that a mini schanuzer might actually be a better dog for me rather then the tenterfield terrier. Would they meet teh requirements above do you think?

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