View Poll Results: Should we follow Kiwis and give a tail docking a green light ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    Cleasanta,
    It looks so unnatural; it is like a dog with the squirrel tail.
    Unnatural?????? He was BORN with it and therefore IT IS natural! Chop your arms off mate, you look very unnatural with them hahaha Or your ears, perhaps your leg, or your willy

    Docking is a safeguard against future injuries in the hunting and working breeds, for health reasons in breeds such as the Old English Sheepdog.
    OES are natural bobs as far as I know. And tell me, why would OES be cropped and border collie, sheltie, Collie etc aren't while they're all doing the same or similar kind of work!?! How come one can get damaget but those others who do the same can't. It's HUMAN invention and IT IS NOT justified, and the reasons you put here are just not on.

    Tail docking has nothing, absolutely nothings to do with dog shows or judging of dog shows.
    Neither do breast implants and other cos surgeries with beauty pagents :rolleyes These days it does I'm affraid.

    Tail docking is quite simply done because of traditional reasons for which a particular breed was developed and as breeders and owners we have been entrusted to uphold this tradition.
    Yeah. Stuff the tradition. I've written about it in my previous post regarding flock guarding dogs and molossers.

    When the forefathers of the Weimaraner were developing this breed I am sure they did not say to themselves "Oh I must have a cosmetically beautiful hunting dog, people are looking." I am, however, certain that they did think of the dog and its welfare when deciding it was best to dock the tail.[/QUOTE]

    Why didn't they think the same for Pointers? Setters? Bloodhounds?

    They're all hunting dogs, bird dogs. Le's not be hypocrits here, why some do, and some don't although they belong to the same category?

    Why crop and dock doberman and not crop rottie, and do nothing on GSD, Belgian or Duch shepherd when they all serve the same purpose?

    Why crop Napoletan masiff and not English one?

    Why crop Causasian ovtscharka, Anatolian shepherd and not Maremano Pyrenese or Sarplaninac? They're all the same group of dogs having the same purpose?

    Why dock yorkie, schnauzer and any of those small breeds when they're nothing but lap dogs these days? I don't get it!?!

    If anyone is hypocrit and has double standards here it's you and those who think like you. You may say you like it better and that's fine, but don't argue something you are not "quite there" with. I'd say you are not informed well and your knowledge isn't all that either. I'd suggest finding some good literature first on how dogs evolved and how breeding has started in a first place.
    Last edited by Fedra; 07-18-2010 at 08:14 PM.
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    Terrorbull

    I've seen people ask questions about cocker spaniels with docked tails and admire the tails on previously always docked breeds like weimeranas and rotties.

    And I've read comments from owners of naturally stumpy tailed dogs like some Aussie shepherds and smithfields saying they are given a hard time about the tail.

    I've been known to ask what happened to the tail.

    And I know a staffie who damaged the tip of her tail wagging it against something hard, and as far as I know - they were never a breed for docking.

    Gorry
    You make our point arguing that no humans would consent to having their sexual organs re-arranged for "no medical reason". But you think it's ok to argue it's ok to dock tails for "no medical reason".

    But humans do volunteer for these operations, and dogs do not. But I'm sure all the bitches who suffer having puppies, get complications and then have to deal with the puppies - would be perfectly happy if they'd never been through that. There's loads of medical reasons to desex dogs (and humans).

    However the discussion here was about tail docking. Which should only be done if there is a castastrophic injury or malformation. Ie a strong medical reason that would make the dog better off health wise, not for the gratification of its owner's visual asthetics. Actually I think people like that should not be allowed to own dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJames View Post
    I grew up with Rottys, none of which had tails and they were able to express their feelings and were very happy dogs.
    And I'm sure you'd still be able to express your feelings with no legs, so I guess you're off to the hospital tomorrow to have them removed.

    Human beings are generally very selfish beings. The question here is why are tails docked? If someone can give me a logical reason, explaining how tail docking is the best thing for the dog then I will consider that. My Rottie's tail hardly moves so she isn't going to hurt anyone with it, and being a responsible dog owner, I would never put my dog in the position of injuring her tail.

    As for tradition......I personally believe that progress is a good thing. Should we allow all barbaric human traditions just because they're traditional? I like to think the human race is intelligent enough to learn from previous errors and move on.

    There is no comparison between tail docking and desexing, only a moron would resort to such a comparison. What's your next argument going to be Gorry?

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    Hyacin wrote:
    There's loads of medical reasons to desex dogs (and humans).
    ??? Humans, Can you elaborate on this please.

    Mollinator wrote:
    There is no comparison between tail docking and desexing, only a moron would resort to such a comparison. What's your next argument going to be Gorry ?
    Dear All,

    I have to say that either tail docking or removal of testicles & ovaries regardless of the reason should be considered the mutilation. What I am saying in plain English is that I am sick of hypocrites who are against tail docking but supporting the cutting this off.



    OUCH !

    Please use your brain and logic and consider ethics.
    Last edited by Gorry; 07-18-2010 at 09:48 PM.

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    You took a photo of your dog's balls? >.>

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    http://sarahcarlsonontheroof.blogspo...overheard.html

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    OUCH ! Help me . Please, do not chop this off.



    http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgu...26tbs%3Disch:1
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    Your pretty pictures don't scare me, unfortunately.

    I would much rather have my dog have that one "horrifying" procedure then to sentence yet more innocent dogs to be destroyed at the pound. I also highly doubt you'll win your argument by posting photos of dog's balls being "mutilated" to win over the male population of this forum. There are far more female posters here anyway

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    Gorry you've skipped my questions, I'd like some answers please. If you have them of course
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    Sorry Fedra,

    What was your question?

    Please keep it short and understandable. I am really considering introducing the fee for the service.

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    There you go... no fees will be paid however

    When the forefathers of the Weimaraner were developing this breed I am sure they did not say to themselves "Oh I must have a cosmetically beautiful hunting dog, people are looking." I am, however, certain that they did think of the dog and its welfare when deciding it was best to dock the tail.


    Why didn't they think the same for Pointers? Setters? Bloodhounds?

    They're all hunting dogs, bird dogs. Let's not be hypocrits here, why some do, and some don't although they belong to the same category?

    Why crop and dock doberman and not crop rottie, and do nothing on GSD, Belgian or Duch shepherd when they all serve the same purpose?

    Why crop Napoletan masiff and not English one?

    Why crop Causasian ovtscharka, Anatolian shepherd and not Maremano Pyrenese or Sarplaninac? They're all the same group of dogs having the same purpose?

    Why dock yorkie, schnauzer and any of those small breeds when they're nothing but lap dogs these days? I don't get it!?!
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