View Poll Results: Should we follow Kiwis and give a tail docking a green light ?

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  • Yes but must be carried out by trained staff before the animals were four days old

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  • Yes but must be carried out by vets and under the anaesthesia only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Gorry
    you will be given a hard time every time you take your dog out in public, by most dog owners who think it is an unnecessary procedure.
    ?

    Serious?

    I guarantee I get more of a hard time with my breed of dogs than anyone who has a docked dog would. there are still many many many docked dogs around and i have never ever heard one person make a bad comment about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    Hi guys

    I would like to buy a standard schnauzer but unfortunately this (and some other) beautiful breed lost the character since the ban on tail docking was introduced here in Australia. I do not agree that tail docking is cruelty to animals as long as this is done properly under the anaesthesia and by qualified person / veterinarian. I am registered nurse and I can say that this ban is nonsense. Based on this assumption one can argue that we should ban the cosmetic surgery as a cruelty to human beings?
    I was informed that tail docking ban is recently lifted in New Zealand. New Zealand breeders win over Tail Docking Ban

    In context of this information I am wondering would it be possible to buy and import schnauzer puppy with docked tail from New Zealand. Any information & suggestion in regards to the quarantine procedure are more than welcomed.
    There is no comparison, people CHOOSE to have cosmetic surgery because it makes them feel better about themselves. Animals would never choose to have a body part removed. Tail docking is mostly about selfish humans prefering the look of a docked dog. If it needs to be done for health reasons then I'm in agreeance with it for the sake of the dog, but what you are talking about is butchering because of your own shallow needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    I must say that certain breeds of dogs (Boxer, Doberman, Weimarener or Rottweiler) with undocked tail looks like a human with the third leg.
    My Rottweiler has a lovely tail and wouldn't be the same without it. Have you ever seen one with a tail? Maybe you prefer the butchered look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    I must say that certain breeds of dogs (Boxer, Doberman, Weimarener or Rottweiler) with undocked tail looks like a human with the third leg.
    Actually...I think Odin looked like a COMPLETE Rottweiler with a GORGEOUS tail!!! He looked like a dog that could express his feelings 100% and not with some chumped off stump desparately trying to wag!




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    Cleasanta,

    You have nice dog, probably German descent rather than American ( someone might argue this) but you know errrr.. something is not right on this photo … TAIL. It looks so unnatural; it is like a dog with the squirrel tail.

    Take a read of the facts about tail docking by Prof. Dr R. Fritsch, Leader of Clinic of Veterinary Surgeons, Justus-Lieberg University, to the German Kennel Club.

    There are good sound reasons why each docked breed is docked. Docking is a safeguard against future injuries in the hunting and working breeds, for health reasons in breeds such as the Old English Sheepdog. Tail docking has nothing, absolutely nothings to do with dog shows or judging of dog shows. Tail docking is quite simply done because of traditional reasons for which a particular breed was developed and as breeders and owners we have been entrusted to uphold this tradition.
    When the forefathers of the Weimaraner were developing this breed I am sure they did not say to themselves "Oh I must have a cosmetically beautiful hunting dog, people are looking." I am, however, certain that they did think of the dog and its welfare when deciding it was best to dock the tail.

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    Gorry
    Last edited by Gorry; 07-18-2010 at 07:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    Cleasanta,

    You have nice dog, probably German descent rather than American ( someone might argue this) but you know errrr.. something is not right on this photo … TAIL. It looks so unnatural; it is like a dog with the squirrel tail.
    Well...Odin descended from top American Schutzhund trained dogs...Jeneck's Wotan...Jeneck's Flash and Australian owned Jeneck's Punch!

    Considering ALL Rottweilers descend from German lines...your comment is somewhat superfluous really.

    The legend states that it actually came down to ONE German breeding bitch in 1905, so all rottweiler descend from her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorry View Post
    -snip.. something is not right on this photo … TAIL. It looks so unnatural; it is like a dog with the squirrel tail.
    -snip
    What? How can dog with tail look UNNATURAL? Do you know what natural means?

    Clea he is beautiful, he has a lovely tail, which I am sure he loves to wag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinaG View Post
    What? How can dog with tail look UNNATURAL? Do you know what natural means?

    Clea he is beautiful, he has a lovely tail, which I am sure he loves to wag.
    We don't have Odin anymore, but he was beautiful!

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    I grew up with Rottys, none of which had tails and they were able to express their feelings and were very happy dogs.

    I am also pro tail docking for a variety of reasons, as long as it is done humanely.

    Our family dog, a Rotty, just recently died and she didn't have a tail and not once did we cop a bad time from anyone about her docked tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJames View Post
    I grew up with Rottys, none of which had tails and they were able to express their feelings and were very happy dogs.

    I am also pro tail docking for a variety of reasons, as long as it is done humanely.

    Our family dog, a Rotty, just recently died and she didn't have a tail and not once did we cop a bad time from anyone about her docked tail.
    I never said they wouldn't be happy dogs.

    Dogs have a tail for a reason and that includes Rottys That could be to express their emotions....as a balance weight when they run and turn.

    Sure...I have to admit it looked "odd" seeing Rottys in the showring with tails up against Rottys without a tail. Did I use to prefer docked look...yes! Am I used to the tail look now...yes!

    Can dogs injure their tails...of course! Some breeds like Rottys are ferocious waggers Can they break a toe too...most definitely. Do we just snip off their toes (with the exception to hind dew claws though)....no we don't.

    If people want a docked dog...sure there are ways to do this eg get one from NZ or from another country who doesn't have laws against tail docking.

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