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    I read this one earlier and am still shaking my head...

    Suffice to say that on one advertising site alone there are over 20 registered breeders of Westies just in Vic, and 118 nationwide.

    So from the start to the very end the research here is way off.

    OP I do hope you see reason and do some more in depth research.

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    I am just going to post here that which i have posted elsewhere,and hope that you seriously read the thread that Aussie Floyd linked in post #5 in this thread.

    I have owned cats prior to my current boy,of which my girl only had the one kitten,and that being born dead which was horrifying to me as i was also then pregnant with my first child. I then spent a small fortune at the vets as she was still large and there were no more kittens forthcoming. The gave her a needle to induce things and nothing happened. I was kept informed and told they were going in for a C section and asked if i wished her to be de-sexed at that time. I stated that she would only have to come back anyway for that to be done,so if they were opening her up to do it then. It turned out she had no more kittens inside,she only had the one kitten (dead) and an infection inside her. This was cleaned up,she was de-sexed,and i was then able to pick her up the following day. The horror of that day still lives with me,and will forever live with me. This thread has again re-inforced my decision to NOT breed.

    My dog will be my baby,and my friend,i wont put her (if it is to be a female) life in danger.

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    Listen, the only reason to breed a dog, is to improve the standard/quality. Not to make money.

    You seem to be trying to go around it the right way(I mean, you haven't just bought any two dogs and put them together so far), but believe me, and the others on the forum, its harder than it seems.

    First of all, you need to have a huge understanding of the breed(this means breed standard) read books and talk to experts.

    You need to send in an application for a breeders prefix, and be a member on the Certificate of Registration & Pedigree through DOGS. If you pass through all this, you need to have a good understanding on the breeders Code of Ethics, ANKC guidelines for breeders, ANKC glossary of canine terms, and a good understanding of dogs and the law and be ready for an open book examination.
    Your prefix then needs to be approved by the ANKC.
    Once the prefix is approved, you will take the examination and must have a score above 90%.
    Only then will you be registered.

    The three main aspects of breeding are conformation, temperament and health.
    Your bitch needs to have good bloodlines and checked by a vet for any health issues(that shouldn't be there considering you have bought from the three R's. Responsible, registered, reputable.) The same needs to be done for your sire.
    Its good to go to club and shows and earn up some titles. Some breeders say your pups should be worth more than the parents.

    Being responsible means not breeding until your dog is over 3 years, and only breeding occasionly. The clinic I work at has a regular client that only ever breeds her dogs 2-3 times in their life.

    As a vet nurse, I have seen many many things go wrong with bad breedings and pregnancys even to the best breeders. I use this example every week it seems, im sure regular members are sick of me talking about it. But I was involved with a $6,000 emergency C-section, to have all but one puppy die. The owners kept that one puppy, so lets just say, they didn't make much of a profit!

    At 22, you are still so young(im 22 aswell ) I feel like I have a good understanding of everything that is involved and I love dogs, but I know my place is not as a breeder.
    Give it time, like, a huge amount of time, try another 10 years.
    If you love dogs, try other field, there are pleanty out there.

    Any breeders, if I've made a mistake in my post, please pick me up on it!
    Yesterday I actually had to write an email just like this to someone who came in asking exactly what you have asked now.
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    Mouni, for starters I will say that it sounds like you really are trying to go about this the right way.
    BUT I do agree with what others have said... it's a fantasy, not a reality.
    Breeding isn't profitable when done right.
    You have $4,000 up front just for your 2 dogs. You have to health test them, show them to gain their Ch. title and they have to be good enough. Even the pick of the litter from the best breeder can not work out. And if you buy 2 mature dogs you are looking more like $5,000+ each.

    You might be thinking, well, I'll make that back after 2 litters. But a dog should only HAVE 2 litters in it's life. Then you have to start again with another bitch. And you can't keep using the same dog over and over again forever....

    At 22 I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life either. I have spent the past 2 years not working, or working just small jobs that didn't last.
    I am 24 now and am starting school this Monday.

    Hobby breeding, and breeding for the right reasons (breed improvement, health etc) are good, but it's not something you can do full time.

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    I understand what a lot of you're saying, this home breeding obviously wont be a life time job or anything that could actually replace an actual job for starters.

    It is at least something for me to do and to earn a little money on the side. I have no pressure to move out from my parents and I do not pay any bills etc here.

    My parents fully know and understand that there will be 3 dogs that have to be properly feed and taken care of (grooming/vet bills etC) and they're 110% committed to funding the other 2 dogs as well as our current westie for a life time. My mum will most likely be retiring soon and she has said she would love to do this with me.

    The $4,000 for buying the stud and brood doesn't include anything other than the actual purchase of the dogs. They're prepared to go a little more depending on what quality of westies are available.

    We are going to have a safe,clean and calm homely friendly breeding environment. I am wanting to do this because I love westies and I want to be actually do something I enjoy. This is something I want to do we all know there are risks involved but there are risks with anything you do in life.

    I wont let negative comments stop me from doing this. This is something I finally found that I would love to do. I am going to succeed and maybe who knows I might just work my way into doing this full time with enough experience.

    I am not going to let negative comments or anything stop me from doing something I would love to do. You only live once and I am not the type of person who can just pretend to like doing something that I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouni View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.

    I understand what a lot of you're saying, this home breeding obviously wont be a life time job or anything that could actually replace an actual job for starters.

    It is at least something for me to do and to earn a little money on the side. I have no pressure to move out from my parents and I do not pay any bills etc here.

    My parents fully know and understand that there will be 3 dogs that have to be properly feed and taken care of (grooming/vet bills etC) and they're 110% committed to funding the other 2 dogs as well as our current westie for a life time. My mum will most likely be retiring soon and she has said she would love to do this with me.

    The $4,000 for buying the stud and brood doesn't include anything other than the actual purchase of the dogs. They're prepared to go a little more depending on what quality of westies are available.

    We are going to have a safe,clean and calm homely friendly breeding environment. I am wanting to do this because I love westies and I want to be actually do something I enjoy. This is something I want to do we all know there are risks involved but there are risks with anything you do in life.

    I wont let negative comments stop me from doing this. This is something I finally found that I would love to do. I am going to succeed and maybe who knows I might just work my way into doing this full time with enough experience.

    I am not going to let negative comments or anything stop me from doing something I would love to do. You only live once and I am not the type of person who can just pretend to like doing something that I do not.



    I'm guessing that a dogs life means nothing to you then other than $$$$$$$$

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    What a selfish narrow minded child you are.
    For $2000, you won't even get a Westie worth breeding!
    Last edited by Devil's Advocate; 06-20-2010 at 06:50 PM. Reason: Comment is personally abusive.

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    Hi Mouni,
    I understand that it can be hard, trying to find your calling in this life.
    Sometimes, it takes an experience to know if something that you think you might be interested in is something that you will actually like.

    I was once interested in breeding, and also thought that it might be a way to put a passion to use and make some money. I decided to investigate though, and found that the biggest rewards you can get from breeding are in improving the breed, or breeding dogs that are great representatives of the breed standard.

    From what I have gathered, if you breed properly, there is not really any money to be made, despite what you may be able to sell puppies for.

    As a novice, I'd encourage you to consider if this is something that you would want to do if there was nothing in it for you financially?

    Good luck with your decision making. I hope that you let the right factors influence you

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    I am glad you have such a good backing for this. Because like everyone else has said there is no money to be made in breeding. The money you get for pups pays for your beeding dogs, housing, food, vet bills, raising of the pups, etc.
    I know they have been rather over bearing with their oppinions, they really are just trying to do the best thing.
    Like I said before, check out Dogs VIC and talk to a lot of different breeders, experience welping, check out the shows and get as much information as possible. Everyone starts somewhere, and the fact that you are willing to get as much info as possible, and that you have your parents backing, is wonderful.
    If I were you I would wait until I was confided before trying to breed. You dont need to get both dog and bitch at the same time. You could get one, I would get the dog his breeding career is not as time sensitive, and show him to see how that goes. Then a little time down the track you could get the second. Its just an idea, I started off with a pet bitch then got a dog to show and stud, then went into breeding my own.
    Good luck with it.

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