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    Looking at different breed profiles, I got to thinking...

    When it says a particular breed requires firm leadership do they actually mean the breed needs someone who really knows what they're doing, or for instance does it mean that this breed is fine as long as you do those things which make them understand that you are the leader, and not just letting them run rampant?

    I know that there are some breeds that really do need an owner who knows what they are doing. But I do wonder about these other breeds sometimes because I think oh that breed would be good but they need firm leadership... would that breed be ok for me?

    Can anyone give examples of breeds where the profile says they need firm leadership, but in reality they would be ok for someone who doesn't have experience with difficult breeds but can deal with the normal dog ownership?

    I hope that makes sense!

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    I always tell my puppy owners that they need to be firm with an Amstaff, what you deem as cute behaviour (growling, having a go at a bigger dog, domination of owners etc) is cute while while they are 5kgs and not so cute at 25kgs and capable of pulling your arm out of the socket. They can be slightly arrogant at times, and strong willed so need to have a firm hand that will not tolerate bad behaviour to make sure they grow up to be model citizens....... lol.... for lack of a better way to explain it...

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    I think there are breeds that need a firm, consistent owner regardless.

    Then I think there are some breeds that are not for the novice dog owner.

    Then there are dogs within the breed that just throw all that theory out the window.

    I'd be hesitant to throw out the names of a few breeds that I believe require a firm, fair and consistent owner, because others on here may not agree but I will say I classify Whippets as an easy breed to own, suitable for the novice dog owner provided they research and understand the fundamentals of sight hounds.

    I'd say that Weim's are not for the novice dog owner, but not because they have a tendency to be dog aggressive or will walk over the top of a soft owner but because they require huge amounts of exercise, can be nervous if not socialised well, have high prey drive and are silly for about 2 years.

    Hope that makes sense.

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    I think Rottweilers are one of those breeds that require firm leadership. They are extremely intelligent, large and stubborn by nature. Mine starting growling at me from the second day I had her and she wasn't even 8 weeks old. Every night for about 3 months she would growl at me when I told her to get on her bed and would do that for about half an hour until she finally accepted that she wasn't getting her way. She's great now and just does whatever I tell her but without very firm leadership things could have gone very pear shaped.

    This is my first Rottweiler and I have only owned 3 dogs of my own before her but I'm quite strict with rules with my dogs anyway. I wouldn't say you need to have owned a stubborn type breed previously, you just need to be aware of what you're getting and research the breed a lot prior to getting one. I found her to be very hard work for the first few months but it's totally worth it when you end up with a fantastic dog.

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    husky's i would say would be another that is not for the first time dog owner ... and well they just aren't the breed for everyone. there are breeds that are more laid-back than others and i would say whippet's, king charles and other such breeds are much easier than am staff's, husky's, akitas.

    i tend to look at what they were bred for as to whether they are suitable for first time dog owners. if they were bred as lapdogs well thats a no brainer, but if they were bred to work independent from people than obviously they will be harder to work with and so forth ..... hope this made sense in some way :P
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    Loren, I know you are keen on Boxer's and im assuming its suggested they need a firm handler
    Boxers can be seen as scary, and a 'bad' Boxer, can be a dangerous Boxer.
    A Growling Chihuahua is not as threatening as a growling Boxer, so the Boxer needs someone who will be able to correct 'bad' behaviour.
    Rotties, Sheps, Pits, Danes, Dobes etc. All require a firm hand, due to their sheer size. Not because they are more 'aggressive' or 'dangerous', just some things they do are cute as a pup, not as an adult.
    If that makes sense.
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    Thanks guys you're all making a lot of sense!!

    You're right Myf I would love a boxer. But I'm thinking I/we (OH) may end up getting a rescue dog. I could get a boxer later when I've had a bit more experience maybe.

    Anyways, I just wondered if breed profiles tend to err on the side of caution (why couldn't I think of that before, its exactly what I wanted to say lol).

    Cheers guys

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    Boxers need a firm hand? Do they? Didn't know that. Most boxers I've known have been total clowns that only needed a lot of repetition work to keep their mind on their training.
    Dobes are similar. Very energetic, can NOT be allowed to get bored, but not so much a firm hand in other ways IYKWIM?

    Loren, I think it all comes down to the dog, the owner and what they are willing to put into the dog.
    Yep, there are a lot of breeds I certainly wouldn't like to see the average novice owner with. Not unless they've done their homework, have a good support system for back up when it's needed and are going into it with their eyes wide open.
    Having said that, every dog is an individual IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Boxers need a firm hand? Do they? Didn't know that. Most boxers I've known have been total clowns that only needed a lot of repetition work to keep their mind on their training.
    Dobes are similar. Very energetic, can NOT be allowed to get bored, but not so much a firm hand in other ways IYKWIM?

    Loren, I think it all comes down to the dog, the owner and what they are willing to put into the dog.
    Yep, there are a lot of breeds I certainly wouldn't like to see the average novice owner with. Not unless they've done their homework, have a good support system for back up when it's needed and are going into it with their eyes wide open.
    Having said that, every dog is an individual IMO.
    DA, Its more because if you let them get away with things thinking its cute, you'll pay the consequences more with a 'scary' dog that with a Maltese for example. ‘Firm hand’ is someone who is capable of disciplining(sp?) IMO.
    'Oh cute puppy Boxer is growling at me *laugh laugh laugh chuckle chuckle*'
    'Adult Boxer growling at me, not so cute'
    'Little Jack Russell growling, cute;
    'Adult JRT growling, still cute. Still small’
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    IMO, any dog that is showing signs of bad behaviour ( growling, showing teeth, biting, even if it is just mouthing) as a puppy needs a firm hand to prevent it from maturing into an adult with bad behaviour. I find any dog that is growling or snarling at me threatening, I don't find it 'cute' regardless of age or size.

    OT, does anyone on here playfight with their dogs? Just curious...

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