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    Hi all,
    I'm not really sure where to put this post?

    Anyway, We have 2 dogs, 2yo Border, and 8yo Cocker. Cocker has a history of being beaten up by bigger dogs, and I am her 4th owner. She's fantastic with people, but not so much with other dogs (occasionally she'll find one that she likes, but incredibly rarely)..


    Anyway, the cocker, bella, tollerates the border collie, Lucy.
    Lucy tries to herd Bella, and Bella doesn't really appreciate it. She usually just growls till Lucy gets the message and then she'll back off. Usually it'll take Lucy a few minutes, she'll get distracted by something else that's moving (ball usually) and forget about Bella.
    If she does manage to herd Bella into a corner, bella will sit down, and Lucy will hover over her, front on. Occasionally she'll just sit next to Bella once Bella has sat herself in the corner, and it's as though Lucy is 'holding' bella in the corner, if that makes sense. I attribute this to the sheepdog she is.

    Recently though, Lucy only has to approach Bella, and Bella loses it. She jumps up on her back and initiates a fight. Doesn't go through the usual doggie avenues of growling, baring teeth etc before becomming aggressive.

    This only happens when someone is outside. When we're out walking they're fine, dog park is also ok.

    They did have issues with food initially (10 months ago) and some fights started between them , but they are now tethered for feeding, and there haven't been any problems since we began tethering them, till now.

    It seems to happen more frequently after their dinner. I've tried taking their bowls away, leaving their bowls (empty), and the aggression is triggered by something else, either way.

    It was suggested to me by a behaviourist at our obedience club that as Lucy (younger dog) got older, that she would try to challenge bella for her place in the pack.
    I thought that Bella was still above Lucy in the pack structure, however, Bella's behaviour is leading me to believe that perhaps Lucy is now higher than Bella and that Bella doesn't like it.

    Someone else also suggested that Bella could be developing dementia.

    I'm taking Bella to the vet tomorrow to rule out medical issues, and am wondering if anyone has any ideas about the situation?

    I'm finding it quite hard to be objective about it, and I'm not always outside when the aggression begins (or prior, to notice triggers).

    Any thoughts on the situation would be very much appreciated.

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    I correct myself, Bella does go through usual avenues of communication by growling at Lucy, but she'll growl once, and then lunge at Lucy. No baring of teeth. She used to growl for ages, and then bark at Lucy before getting aggressive, but very, very rarely would it get to that stage. Also, Lucy doesn't even have to go near Bella now, Bella will seek Lucy out, where formerly, she would actively avoid Lucy.

    It's not all the time that this happens (not all day), and it only happens when us humans are outside (1 or many of us).
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    Hey
    It could just be that bella has had enough. She has a serious case of fear aggression.
    I would be interested to know what the vet says before trying to figgure this out more
    Good luck at the vet.

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    yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing what the vet has to say too.
    I'll update after we go tomorrow

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    That would be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkiea View Post
    I correct myself, Bella does go through usual avenues of communication by growling at Lucy, but she'll growl once, and then lunge at Lucy. No baring of teeth. She used to growl for ages, and then bark at Lucy before getting aggressive, but very, very rarely would it get to that stage. Also, Lucy doesn't even have to go near Bella now, Bella will seek Lucy out, where formerly, she would actively avoid Lucy.

    It's not all the time that this happens (not all day), and it only happens when us humans are outside (1 or many of us).


    She no longer warns because warning does not stop the other dog - why sit there growling for 10 mins when you can just attack and get rid of the dog sooner?

    The problem dog to me is the collie, Bella. Bella did all she could to warn the other dog, and nothing stopped it.

    I have a dog aggressive dog here, she gets along with Atlas, but not many other dogs, both dogs will listen to each others warnings and if one growls, the other will back down. If it came to the stage where the annoying dog ignored the other dog, i would build runs and keep them apart when I was not there to supervise.

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    Make sure Lucy is getting enough exercise to begin with. I notice my Kelpie X Border Collie will harrass my Jack Russell X more often when she still has energy to burn.

    If Roly warns but Lady keeps harrassing, then she gets in trouble. I growl at her to 'get out of it'.
    I think if Bella gives a warning, and Lucy goes back, then you growl at Lucy. If she goes back again, she gets taken away from any kind of excitement for a few minutes.
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    I do think that Bella may have just had enough.
    And it was initially a problem of Lucy following Bella around, but now it seems that if we are outside, Lucy can be ignoring Bella, and Bella will approach Lucy, begin growling, and then lunge at her, and Lucy joins in, and a fight starts. It's really horrible and really stressful, and I wish I'd addressed the situation sooner, but I didn't realise how much of an issue it was, or could become

    I agree about the exercise, and Lucy is much better when she gets plenty of it, but I'm afraid that I've let the problem escalate, and I don't really know what to do about it anymore.

    Vet tommorow, then I'll take it from there I suppose.

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    you have two breeds that are not really compatible without lots of work.. the b/c needs plenty of exercise and can work all day, where as the c/s while are still a working breed the intensity is much less... c/s are also not known for tollerance... it sounds like the b/c is just tormenting the c/s do you have a treadmill, if so get the b/c working out on that a couple of times a day... running beside a bike will also help... I would also be seperating them when not surpervised as previous poster said...

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    I'd love to get a treadmill for the border!
    I would seperate the dogs, but the only time this happens is when we are outside, so it leaves me to believe that it's triggered by some jealousy/posessiveness over us. I know that I can't know what happens when we're not outside, but I know that when it escalates, it results in a fight, which we have to break up, and I'm sure that if they were fighting in our absense, there would be evidence of it.
    Vet tonight
    Thanks for all of your ideas everyone, very much appreciated. I only wish I'd come here much sooner. Its driving me (us)

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